WWYD - Pacifier Issue

[gbcc]

whoo hoo to the sign language idea,.. no to the paci. why does mom want her to sleep longer?

She says dad takes her home and puts her to bed. They live 5 mins away and I see no indication at all that she is in need of a nap. Here is her sleep schedule

7 AM - Wakes Up
9:30 - 10:30 Nap
Noon - 2:30 Nap
4:30 - 5:30 Nap
7PM - Bed

This just really seems like a lot of sleep to me. I think an hour in the am and then two hours in the pm are fine. I don't think she needs an extra hour in the afternoon. Dad also says that when she stays home with him she will sleep 2 hours in the AM and again in the PM. I don't wake her up, she wakes up on her own. There are also days where in the AM she doesn't nap but that is just the age. My other 2 her age do not nap in the AM, only the two hours in the PM and still go to bed at a normal hour.

[SilverSabre25]

Sorry, I don't believe that it should be used in this case. I think the parents need to step up and help her learn to talk. There is no excuse for a 2 yr old not at least saying more words then she is saying. I know each child is different and learns at a different pace, but my gosh, help her to speak, not use sign language. If she has a development problem that is different, but it doesn't sound like she does.

Heck YES there could VERY easily be a VERY GOOD excuse for a 2-year old to not be speaking yet! Speech delay, cognitive delay, hearing issues, and ASD are just FOUR of the things that come to my mind instantly! Kids don't generally need to be TAUGHT to talk--they learn it from their environment. No one has ever sat an infant down and said, okay, it's time to learn to talk! Kids don't learn that way. Language acquisition is not like learning calculus or French as an adult. Children's brains are hard-wired to acquire speech and it begins in the womb, as soon as the baby starts to be able to hear, which occurs around...26 or 27 weeks, IIRC. If a 2-year old isn't talking or at least making SOME attempt to communicate, there is something more going on.

I am dearly, dearly hoping that you, Ms. Unregistered, are simply a lurker and a troll and [I]not[I] a registered user who's hiding. Your comments show an amazing lack of understanding of child development. You make it sound like you think the child isn't talking simply out of misbehavior or out of spite, but a child that age isn't capable of something like that.

[SilverSabre25]

She says dad takes her home and puts her to bed. They live 5 mins away and I see no indication at all that she is in need of a nap. Here is her sleep schedule

7 AM - Wakes Up
9:30 - 10:30 Nap
Noon - 2:30 Nap
4:30 - 5:30 Nap
7PM - Bed

This just really seems like a lot of sleep to me. I think an hour in the am and then two hours in the pm are fine. I don't think she needs an extra hour in the afternoon. Dad also says that when she stays home with him she will sleep 2 hours in the AM and again in the PM. I don't wake her up, she wakes up on her own. There are also days where in the AM she doesn't nap but that is just the age. My other 2 her age do not nap in the AM, only the two hours in the PM and still go to bed at a normal hour.

Wow...that's a lot of sleep for a 2 year old...now I'm wondering if there's something else medical going on. Has she always slept this much, or is it something new? A 2 year old shouldn't be napping 3 times a day. Honestly, I'm wondering if she has a severe food allergy/intolerance that's gone undetected, or if she's severely anemic, has Celiac disease, or something else (yes, more dire things are crossing my mind here...). Something's not right. She's sleeping about 16 hours a day...that's not normal.

[DCMomOf3]

She says dad takes her home and puts her to bed. They live 5 mins away and I see no indication at all that she is in need of a nap. Here is her sleep schedule

7 AM - Wakes Up
9:30 - 10:30 Nap
Noon - 2:30 Nap
4:30 - 5:30 Nap
7PM - Bed

This just really seems like a lot of sleep to me. I think an hour in the am and then two hours in the pm are fine. I don't think she needs an extra hour in the afternoon. Dad also says that when she stays home with him she will sleep 2 hours in the AM and again in the PM. I don't wake her up, she wakes up on her own. There are also days where in the AM she doesn't nap but that is just the age. My other 2 her age do not nap in the AM, only the two hours in the PM and still go to bed at a normal hour.

The parents want her to sleep MORE??? At her age she should be sleeping about 12 hours a day. That's a solid night sleep and one nap. If she gets tired very fast, I would suggest her pedi. is consulted, because there may be something going on. If they are just wanting her to sleep more or she doesn't get enough physical exercise, then it's a change of lifestyle and attitude that is needed.

[gbcc]

Wow...that's a lot of sleep for a 2 year old...now I'm wondering if there's something else medical going on. Has she always slept this much, or is it something new? A 2 year old shouldn't be napping 3 times a day. Honestly, I'm wondering if she has a severe food allergy/intolerance that's gone undetected, or if she's severely anemic, has Celiac disease, or something else (yes, more dire things are crossing my mind here...). Something's not right. She's sleeping about 16 hours a day...that's not normal.

Come to think of it.... She was tested at the Dr's and she did come back with low iron. The Dr said it was not a big deal. The mom looked up online and it said it can cause speach delay. She has been on vitamins for about 4 months but no change. Personally I would be changing Dr's.

[SilverSabre25]

Come to think of it.... She was tested at the Dr's and she did come back with low iron. The Dr said it was not a big deal. The mom looked up online and it said it can cause speach delay. She has been on vitamins for about 4 months but no change. Personally I would be changing Dr's.

Hmmm...is she really pale? Low on the weight charts? Trouble with poop (esp, does she go back and forth between seeming constipated and having loose stools)? Has she ever been labeled Failure to Thrive?

They should look into WHY her iron levels are low, especially if they aren't changing. Celiac disease is one condition that often causes anemia that doesn't seem to have any other cause and isn't improved by taking supplements. Celiac disease can also cause many other issues, and I can very much see a speech delay being tied into gluten issues as well as the anemia.

[Unregistered]

You think sign language is ridoulous???? You are wrong!! Sign language is used everday probably by every provider. When we sing "when your happy and you know it" we use our fingers to our face and make a smile. When we sing "The wheels on the bus" we use our hands to this song. hummmm

And you can not MAKE her use words for what she wants. That would be cruel not to give her what she wants till she says the word.

Teach her to speak!!!!!!!!!!! If she was deaf, would be different, sounds like she just always knows she will get what she wants by not speaking.Come on people, don't coddle these kids, teach them, isn't that what we are supposed to be doing! A 2 yr OLD SHOULD BE SAYING WORDS LIKE MOMMY, DADDY, WATER,UP, DOWN ETC. I teach my kids at 2 and so does the parents to say please, thank you even.Singing is good and using fingers for that sort of thing is excellent, but she should be talking more, is all I am saying. I have a nephew who is 2 and the parents let him point to everything he wants instead of saying the words, they think it is cute, well he needs to say the words for what he wants.
I am also saying if there is a development problem with this child, the parents should be addressing it instead of ignoring it. But also not doing anything about it is not being a responsible parent, they need to find out why she isn't talking and do something about it.
But to me sign language for her is not the fix for the problem. Sorry.

[DCMomOf3]

unregistered, please remember this is looking for advice, not asking for a debate. If you want to continue this line, I suggest creating an account and taking the discussion to a new thread.

And please, no shouting. It's hurting my eyes. ::

[SilverSabre25]

Teach her to speak!!!!!!!!!!! If she was deaf, would be different, sounds like she just always knows she will get what she wants by not speaking.Come on people, don't coddle these kids, teach them, isn't that what we are supposed to be doing! A 2 yr OLD SHOULD BE SAYING WORDS LIKE MOMMY, DADDY, WATER,UP, DOWN ETC. I teach my kids at 2 and so does the parents to say please, thank you even.Singing is good and using fingers for that sort of thing is excellent, but she should be talking more, is all I am saying. I have a nephew who is 2 and the parents let him point to everything he wants instead of saying the words, they think it is cute, well he needs to say the words for what he wants.
I am also saying if there is a development problem with this child, the parents should be addressing it instead of ignoring it. But also not doing anything about it is not being a responsible parent, they need to find out why she isn't talking and do something about it.
But to me sign language for her is not the fix for the problem. Sorry.

Oi, I'm done with you. You're a troll and you are just stirring up trouble. Make an account and we can continue to discuss this. I'd be glad to continue to discuss it, in fact, so please do make an account.

[gbcc]

Hmmm...is she really pale? Low on the weight charts? Trouble with poop (esp, does she go back and forth between seeming constipated and having loose stools)? Has she ever been labeled Failure to Thrive?

They should look into WHY her iron levels are low, especially if they aren't changing. Celiac disease is one condition that often causes anemia that doesn't seem to have any other cause and isn't improved by taking supplements. Celiac disease can also cause many other issues, and I can very much see a speech delay being tied into gluten issues as well as the anemia.

She is very pale but her family is pale as well. No failure to thrive and normal on the charts. Her stools are often like little rabbit turds (Sorry if it's TMI)

I have never heard of Celiac disease. Would it be out of line to google some info and present it to mom.

[Unregistered]

Oi, I'm done with you. You're a troll and you are just stirring up trouble. Make an account and we can continue to discuss this. I'd be glad to continue to discuss it, in fact, so please do make an account.

So Sorry, did not mean to start stirring up anything. I apolize. Just wanted to express my thoughts,meant no harm,

[SilverSabre25]

She is very pale but her family is pale as well. No failure to thrive and normal on the charts. Her stools are often like little rabbit turds (Sorry if it's TMI)

I have never heard of Celiac disease. Would it be out of line to google some info and present it to mom.

Celiac disease is a very under-diagnosed condition where the body can't properly process gluten, a protein found in wheat, rye, and barley. Anemia is very common in people with undiagnosed Celiac which is why it jumped to my mind. Being overly tired is common as well (and that goes with the anemia). Celiac, when undiagnosed, causes damage in the intestines that make the body unable to absorb nutrients properly (malnutrition can also cause someone to not have enough energy).

Most/many doctors aren't well-educated about Celiac and the BEST possible diagnosis is a trial off of gluten as testing is frequently inaccurate, but that requires a lot of commitment on the part of the parents! Luckily, being gluten free has gotten MUCH easier in the past 4-5 years and awareness of the problem is growing by leaps and bounds.

Whether something like Celiac/gluten intolerance is the issue, or something else, getting her iron levels fixed (which might require switching to a different and BETTER vitamin) should help a lot...but she still could have other things going on that could be causing the speech issues.

[Kaddidle Care]

She says dad takes her home and puts her to bed. They live 5 mins away and I see no indication at all that she is in need of a nap. Here is her sleep schedule

7 AM - Wakes Up
9:30 - 10:30 Nap
Noon - 2:30 Nap
4:30 - 5:30 Nap
7PM - Bed

Well no wonder she's not talking - she's not getting much time to communicate because she's sleeping and eating all the time.

My oldest hardly spoke at all until he was 2 and then it was crystal clear. He also slept 12-13 hours per night and took an 3 hour afternoon nap. He still likes to sleep a lot and he's 19.

I would not get into the paci thing to get her to sleep more. That's nuts!

Please explain to her parents that if she cannot use words to communicate soon, she will become very frustrated and chances are she will start biting out of frustration.

That said.. wasn't it Einstein that didn't speak until he was 4?

[SilverSabre25]

That said.. wasn't it Einstein that didn't speak until he was 4?

I'm pretty sure that Einstein was on the autism spectrum--I read something a couple years ago that suggested he probably had Asperger's.

[Little People]

Teach her to speak!!!!!!!!!!! If she was deaf, would be different, sounds like she just always knows she will get what she wants by not speaking.Come on people, don't coddle these kids, teach them, isn't that what we are supposed to be doing! A 2 yr OLD SHOULD BE SAYING WORDS LIKE MOMMY, DADDY, WATER,UP, DOWN ETC. I teach my kids at 2 and so does the parents to say please, thank you even.Singing is good and using fingers for that sort of thing is excellent, but she should be talking more, is all I am saying. I have a nephew who is 2 and the parents let him point to everything he wants instead of saying the words, they think it is cute, well he needs to say the words for what he wants.
I am also saying if there is a development problem with this child, the parents should be addressing it instead of ignoring it. But also not doing anything about it is not being a responsible parent, they need to find out why she isn't talking and do something about it.
But to me sign language for her is not the fix for the problem. Sorry.

Again unregistered....YOU CAN'T make a child speak!! And who says WE PEOPLE coddle these kids??? Not every 2 year old can speak! My son now 33 did not say a word till he was 2.5 and he did not get any teeth till he was 16 months and yes he had NO teeth, not even one!

My son is normal and has all his teeth::::. There was nothing wrong with him and he spoke we he wanted to. I would of NEVER forced him or with held things from him because he would not speak.

Some and I mean SOME children are just slower, SO WHAT?? God did not make buttons to push on each child to make them walk, talk, crawl or even a button for their teeth.

Again you hit a nerve with mw saying you would not give the child what he/she wanted unless they spoke, that is PLAIN MEAN!