Should Non-Vaccinated Parents Be Sued?

[nannyde]

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/anti-vaccine-liability-pay-harm/#more-12811

[Cat Herder]

Maybe not sued, exactly, but be eligible for group insurance, nope. Private pay, all the way. AMA should have costs. You keep the right to choose but also keep the responsibility of your choices.

I feel the same way about smokers, btw.

[Cat Herder]

I meant to also say that taking a newborn or immunocompromised patient out into crowded public spaces is also AMA.

[Snowmom]

Maybe not sued, exactly, but be eligible for group insurance, nope. Private pay, all the way. AMA should have costs. You keep the right to choose but also keep the responsibility of your choices.

I feel the same way about smokers, btw.

I like that.
I'd add in no eligibility for government assistance programs.

[nannyde]

I meant to also say that taking a newborn or immunocompromised patient out into crowded public spaces is also AMA.

Newborns and immunocompromised have to go to the doctor. That's enclosed public space. What are your feelings there?

[Cat Herder]

Newborns and immunocompromised have to go to the doctor. That's enclosed public space. What are your feelings there?

Pre plan. Pick your provider carefully.

My PCP has separate waiting rooms and schedules for sick and well care. He is very thorough with his PPE and decon routines. Complacency is unacceptable.

It is also poor form to use the ER for general care. That is the reason ER waiting rooms are so crowded to begin with, misuse. They must take everyone, even without insurance so that sets them up for abuse. True emergencies rarely see the waiting room.

[hwichlaz]

my daughter caught measles while fully immunized. But it took an act of God to get a diagnosis....because they used her immunization status to rule the disease out. That's pretty standard. So I call BS on the disease rate.

[Blackcat31]

I don't think parents should be sued financially but I do think they need to consider their child may feel differently when they get older.

Although it's time sensitive in most cases, I think it's alot like religion, custody, voting etc... there should be an age in which a child has a right to have input and be part of the decision process.....although that's not really possible given the time line in which vaccination are given.

I like what CH said about it because like any decision a parent or person makes, they need to be the one that bears the burdens of that decision.

I don't like the general idea that just because one person chooses X that everyone has to simply accept it.

Like most things in life, this question goes back to personal responsibility. Something very few people take seriously any more.

[Blackcat31]

my daughter caught measles while fully immunized. But it took an act of God to get a diagnosis....because they used her immunization status to rule the disease out. That's pretty standard. So I call BS on the disease rate.

I don't think getting measles after vaccination is unheard of as they do say no immunization is 100% effective but the fact that your doctor simply ruled something out (based on what was standard) without really looking into the situation personally would have me thinking about a new doctor.

I've really learned over the last year that you (general you) are your own health advocate and that finding the right doctor for you is sometimes the difference between life/death.

[Cat Herder]

my daughter caught measles while fully immunized. But it took an act of God to get a diagnosis....because they used her immunization status to rule the disease out. That's pretty standard. So I call BS on the disease rate.

It is usually 93% effective after 1st dose at 12-15 months, then up to 97% after the second dose at age 4-6. It is a two dose vaccine.

"If needed, however, the second dose can be given as soon as four weeks after the first dose.

Your child may need the second dose at a younger age if you plan to travel abroad. Infants ages 6 months to 11 months should receive one dose of measles vaccine before traveling." - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...n/faq-20125397

And now, I guess, the second dose will become recommended earlier since so many here are choosing not to vaccinate. That was why there were travel recommendations. We used to more protected here, now the US will become more likely to move towards what used to be *travel recommendations as *standard recommendations.

[hwichlaz]

It is usually 93% effective after 1st dose at 12-15 months, then up to 97% after the second dose at age 4-6. It is a two dose vaccine.

"If needed, however, the second dose can be given as soon as four weeks after the first dose.

Your child may need the second dose at a younger age if you plan to travel abroad. Infants ages 6 months to 11 months should receive one dose of measles vaccine before traveling." - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...n/faq-20125397

And now, I guess, the second dose will become recommended earlier since so many here are choosing not to vaccinate. That was why there were travel recommendations. We used to more protected here, now the US will become more likely to move towards what used to be *travel recommendations as *standard recommendations.

I am aware of the claims. But if they are using vaccine status to diagnose, that's not going to be an accurate number. My daughter was in kindergarten and fully immunized.

[Cat Herder]

I am aware of the claims. But if they are using vaccine status to diagnose, that's not going to be an accurate number. My daughter was in kindergarten and fully immunized.

I agree. I would definitely change physicians.

[Annalee]

my daughter caught measles while fully immunized. But it took an act of God to get a diagnosis....because they used her immunization status to rule the disease out. That's pretty standard. So I call BS on the disease rate.

My nephew and niece (siblings 15 months apart) got the chicken pox while in Junior High and they were both vaccinated.??? I have seen this happen alot with chicken pox.

[mommyneedsadayoff]

No. Vaccinations are an optional form of preventative medicine. They may be required for some jobs and to attend public school or daycare in some states, but they are not mandatory to exist. The only way to not contract a disease or illness is to basically live in a bubble. Trying to prove that someone else's medical choices were made with intent to harm others would be a tough sell when it comes to vaccines. Most people are choosing not to get them due to fear of what it will do to them or their kids, not to purposefully contract and spread disease, so I dont think lawsuits will do much, but I'm sure there is a lawyer out there willing to try!::

[hwichlaz]

I agree. I would definitely change physicians.

We saw 4 before getting a diagnosis. We'd recently changed insurance and had to change doctors. As a new patient appointments were 6 weeks out so we were going to urgent care, seeing a different Dr each time. When we finally got in with our new family doctor for a new patient appt he said that's standard diagnostics here. The diagnosis the first 3 times was "viral xanthum" well NO DUH...chicken pox rash, 5ths disease rash, measels rashes are ALL viral xanthums, but they refused to diagnose which virus was causing it until it went into her eyes and the school nurse reported it to the health dept.