Universal Daycare?

[Sunchimes]

I am interested in your opinion on Elizabeth Warren's universal daycare plan.

[Cat Herder]

Blackcat posted a thread asking the same question yesterday.

Headstart Failure: https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/defaul...tudy_final.pdf

https://medium.com/fee-org/head-start-programs-are-setting-kids-up-for-failure-annie-holmquist-72df927ccd54

Pre-K Failure:

https://medium.com/fee-org/head-start-programs-are-setting-kids-up-for-failure-annie-holmquist-72df927ccd54

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/study-finds-serious-doubts-that-pre-k-has-long-term-benefits-for-kids/922286400

[Cat Herder]

Disregard my first post. I read it to say daycare, thread title.

Although, I feel similarly about anything universal. I don't like Robin Hood Politics or leaning towards socialism.

[amberrose3dg]

Disregard my first post. I read it to say daycare, thread title.

Although, I feel similarly about anything universal. I don't like Robin Hood Politics or leaning towards socialism.

Nope it leads to less productive society and the ones that are productive are punished.

[Sunchimes]

I meant daycare.

Either I was greatly distracted or autocorrect took great liberties. I meant universal daycare.

[Lil_Diddle]

I’m personally not a fan. It is not the governments responsibility to pay for our childcare as well an not the wealthy’s responsibility. What I would love to see is corporations paying their employees a living wage, make the workplace more flexible for working mothers and offering childcare services or help pay childcare costs.

Also, in my 20 years of working in childcare I got a chance to see varying examples. I’ve worked in a small licensed daycare, a larger one ran by a non-profit, head-start and home childcare. In the larger centers or headstart where government had too much of a hand in, I highly think it effected the quality of care. Dictating how every minute should be spent, which kids could be together, what and when they should eat, no holidays or celebrations of any kind. Licensing coming in, over-obsessed with the minute details that really have no effect on the children’s safety, health or well being.

I don’t want anymore government over-reach into this business. I get the benefits for working parents but I think the quality will also go down. Also, with this government over reach they can begin to dictate our rates and what we make. With more paperwork and BS as well.

I’m against it.

And sending our children into government run programs, just look at school districts with all of their testing, less recess and more studious work. Kindergarten already has way more pressure than it used to. My personal belief that these younger years are for play and exploring not sitting in a classroom. I know I wouldn’t want that for my own children.

[sahm1225]

I’m personally not a fan. It is not the governments responsibility to pay for our childcare as well an not the wealthy’s responsibility. What I would love to see is corporations paying their employees a living wage, make the workplace more flexible for working mothers and offering childcare services or help pay childcare costs.

Also, in my 20 years of working in childcare I got a chance to see varying examples. I’ve worked in a small licensed daycare, a larger one ran by a non-profit, head-start and home childcare. In the larger centers or headstart where government had too much of a hand in, I highly think it effected the quality of care. Dictating how every minute should be spent, which kids could be together, what and when they should eat, no holidays or celebrations of any kind. Licensing coming in, over-obsessed with the minute details that really have no effect on the children’s safety, health or well being.

I don’t want anymore government over-reach into this business. I get the benefits for working parents but I think the quality will also go down. Also, with this government over reach they can begin to dictate our rates and what we make. With more paperwork and BS as well.

I’m against it.

And sending our children into government run programs, just look at school districts with all of their testing, less recess and more studious work. Kindergarten already has way more pressure than it used to. My personal belief that these younger years are for play and exploring not sitting in a classroom. I know I wouldn’t want that for my own children.

Yes yes and yes!!!!

[sharlan]

Before long parents sole responsibility will be to breed. Drop the kids off at daycare in the morning, pick them up at night and put them to bed.

[Sunchimes]

Before long parents sole responsibility will be to breed. Drop the kids off at daycare in the morning, pick them up at night and put them to bed.

I just termed one who did that. I told her over and over that she was having problems because dcg saw mom long enough to eat dinner and take a bath, and weekends were spent with grandparents so the parents could "work on their marriage".

It isn't my job to put up with the behaviors this caused on Monday mornings, and throughout the week. I used to think it was, but I no longer feel that way.

[Mom2Two]

I'm against it. There is no free lunch. Daycare will be more expensive if the government gets too involved. The cost will just be hidden because it will get paid from out of taxes.

We already have state assistance for very low income families.

We need to keep our skills that allow us to survive without the government support. Those skills seem to be fading fast, for example the SNAP menu challenge. People really didn't know how to eat well on that amount of money. I've run the numbers and if you even know how to cook a few basics from scratch, it's very livable for food.

Not that I'd want to be that low income. It would be hard to make it in other ways, but the grocery amount is enough if you know how to cook some basics.

[lblanke]

There are 8 elementary schools (K-4) in our school district. All except 1 have pre K at the school. The school without pre K consistently has the highest test scores in the district (and state for that matter). Many children at the school without pre K attend play-based pre K through local churches or private schools. The school-based pre Ks are more academic. Kids enter kindergarten reading more than the play-based kids, but by the end of K, the kids who attended play-based pre K are ahead, and that continues through the 4th grade. Kids at the high performing school are generally from middle class families.