Fingerprinting

[MarinaVanessa]

The California Department of Justice says it submits 1.2 million sets of civil prints to the FBI annually. And, since 1953, all jobs with the federal government have required a fingerprint check—not just for jobs requiring a security clearance, but even for part-time food service workers, student interns, designers, customer service representatives, and maintenance workers..."

If you are not in the military and work on base as a food service worker, office assistant, maintenance etc. then you are a civilian but because you work for the government you have to be fingerprinted to ensure that the food service worker they just hired didn't try to bomb an airport or start a child terrorist camp trained to shoot up schools.

If you are not a police officer but work as a receptionist or as a 911 operator you are a civilian, not a law enforcement officer, but you have to be fingerprinted to make sure you're not a criminal.

My husband is an IT supervisor for the District Attorney's office ... he's not a judge or investigator but he gets fingerprinted because he's a civilian and you know, you want to make sure that the person who has access to everybody's email, passwords, computer systems, evidence logs, digital evidence, video evidence, etc) doesn't have connections to someone like, let's say ... the mafia.

[Cat Herder]

I am all for it.

Keeps out those who have a criminal history from working with vulnerable populations.

It also protects me in the event I am involved in a mass casualty incident, I am unresponsive/deceased and my identification is unknown. My family won't be left in limbo.

It is 17 and up, here.

[kidsncats]

I'm not a fan of my personally identifiable information being in any database. No thanks.

I understand I have the CHOICE of not conforming to being fingerprinted. As I have the choice not to submit my social security number to an entity requesting it.

I also understand that if I fail to comply I will not be licensed or obtain the service that is requesting the fingerprints or social security number. At least, that's how it is here and in the land of America, the home of the FREE I don't like my choice being taken away from me.

[Blackcat31]

I'm not a fan of my personally identifiable information being in any database. No thanks.

I understand I have the CHOICE of not conforming to being fingerprinted. As I have the choice not to submit my social security number to an entity requesting it.

I also understand that if I fail to comply I will not be licensed or obtain the service that is requesting the fingerprints or social security number. At least, that's how it is here and in the land of America, the home of the FREE I don't like my choice being taken away from me.

Your choice isn't being taken from you.

You just don't like the options but the choice is still there.

I just don't see this as an issue.

Just because something has been done one way but is now changing, doesn't mean it should've stayed the way it was.

We learn and grow and we've learned that fingerprinting child care providers may not eliminate ALL risk but clearly provides some measure of safety on many levels.

But no matter what our state requires or doesn't require, you still have a choice.

[Meeko]

The latest fingerprint scanning (not just ink prints) is actually awesome. It became law here in Utah a year or so ago. With fingerprints in the data base, children are safer and that's what is most important.
Licensing told us that fingerprints in the new database are run DAILY. That way, if a person commits a crime against children, it is picked up immediately and licensing can act on that.
The old way meant that prints were checked each year at licensing time. But if a provider had done something wrong the day after getting their previous license approved....there was a possibility that licensing wouldn't find out for another year until they did a check again.

I honestly think fingerprinting is wonderful. I had my own children fingerprinted when they were toddlers and I still have a copy on hand. It gave me piece of mind, that if ever my children went missing...I had a copy of their prints on hand to help with any investigation.

I love my privacy...but honestly other things bug me more than having my fingerprints done. I take greater offense to having to be watched by my licenser while I change a diaper...to make sure I'm doing right. I've done daycare for 33 years. I have 4 adult children of my own. I think I've got diapering down!!!

[Mad_Pistachio]

I'm an immigrant, and my fingerprints have been taken more times than I'd be willing to admit. one more, one less, makes no difference.
I don't really get the "expiration" thing, though. they don't change (unless I die), and no one deletes anything. people's FP's from 15-20 years ago have been found in the system.
otherwise, fine, they can have a scrapbook with my FP's if they want.

[Country Kids]

I do have to say I wasn't a fan as it took forever to get ours done (hubby and mines) because the scanner couldn't read them.

The guy said over time fingerprints do wear down on our fingers so the scanner type makes it harder to read.

A few people I know have their own children who are special needs and still living at home. There was issues with the scanner trying to read theirs also and one of the special needs persons was not wanting to get theirs done so I'm not sure what they are going to do in cases like this or where it won't read yours.

As far as I know the state wants ours only scanned but have a feeling they may have to change it

[Cat Herder]

I don't really get the "expiration" thing, though. they don't change (unless I die), and no one deletes anything.

Scars, burns, crush injuries, amputations.

Some are address, height/weight and contact updates as well.

[mommyneedsadayoff]

]I'm not a fan of my personally identifiable information being in any database. No thanks. [/B]

I understand I have the CHOICE of not conforming to being fingerprinted. As I have the choice not to submit my social security number to an entity requesting it.

I also understand that if I fail to comply I will not be licensed or obtain the service that is requesting the fingerprints or social security number. At least, that's how it is here and in the land of America, the home of the FREE I don't like my choice being taken away from me.

I completely get it. I felt the same, but now, I'm pretty sure that train left the station a long time ago. Kind of like when people won't buy things online, because they are worried about identity theft. Well, everytime mbe you scan your card at a store, it's going in a database too. I expect my identity to be stolen now and insure myself against it. Bottom line though, if you work with kids, they are gonna fingerprint you. While I may not agree that it prevents a lot of people who should not be around kids from working with kids, it's a measure that will never go away, so not much you can do!

[hwichlaz]

I completely get it. I felt the same, but now, I'm pretty sure that train left the station a long time ago. Kind of like when people won't buy things online, because they are worried about identity theft. Well, everytime mbe you scan your card at a store, it's going in a database too. I expect my identity to be stolen now and insure myself against it. Bottom line though, if you work with kids, they are gonna fingerprint you. While I may not agree that it prevents a lot of people who should not be around kids from working with kids, it's a measure that will never go away, so not much you can do!

Cash or cash cards. No need to use a credit or debit card if you're worried.

[mommyneedsadayoff]

Cash or cash cards. No need to use a credit or debit card if you're worried.

Cash is usually my go to, but in order to cash a paycheck or deposit anything, you gotta give up info. Actually, many companies are very vulnerable to hacking, so employee I fo in a database can also be compromised. Imo, there are very few ways to getting around it, other than going 100% off the grid, which is pretty rare.

[kidsncats]

Your choice isn't being taken from you.

You just don't like the options but the choice is still there.

I just don't see this as an issue.

Just because something has been done one way but is now changing, doesn't mean it should've stayed the way it was.

We learn and grow and we've learned that fingerprinting child care providers may not eliminate ALL risk but clearly provides some measure of safety on many levels.

But no matter what our state requires or doesn't require, you still have a choice.

Do it or not is a choice. Do it or quit is no choice.

[kidsncats]

I completely get it. I felt the same, but now, I'm pretty sure that train left the station a long time ago. Kind of like when people won't buy things online, because they are worried about identity theft. Well, everytime mbe you scan your card at a store, it's going in a database too. I expect my identity to be stolen now and insure myself against it. Bottom line though, if you work with kids, they are gonna fingerprint you. While I may not agree that it prevents a lot of people who should not be around kids from working with kids, it's a measure that will never go away, so not much you can do!

I really do have to consider quitting. My husband doesn't want to be in a fingerprint database either.

This is a serious decision I'm weighing.

Just because it's become the norm doesn't make me want to fall into line and have it done. I'll be contacting my legislature regarding this big brother move.

[kidsncats]

Ours is once. But licensing has some kind of a subscription service in that they’ll get notified if you commit a crime any time in the future, unless you don’t renew your license.

Even if you don't renew your license the FBI retains your fingerprints.

[LysesKids]

Even if you don't renew your license the FBI retains your fingerprints.

There are many other jobs that require fingerprinting also; mine have been in the database since 1985 ... I worked as a contractor for NIH, plus I was a private process server for child support court. Can't fight what has already happened; Do you have a passport? If so the FBI has a whole file on you already- fingerprints are the least you should be worried about