Parents Having A Copy of Your License

[Blackcat31]

I have never asked another profession who has to be licensed to have a copy.

In what type of situation would you need one?

No other profession is even comparable to child care so just curious what type of profession you feel this is also applicable?

[mommyneedsadayoff]

In what type of situation would you need one?

No other profession is even comparable to child care so just curious what type of profession you feel this is also applicable?

I guess I was thinking of other providers who must have a license, like doctors usually hang their degrees and license to practice medicine on their office walls. Or nail/beauty salons, restaurants, ect. I dont think the services are comparable, but needing a license to operate is fairly standard. I guess I just dont get the point. I can understand how it may help show culpability to the parents, but it kind of seems like a waste of paper. On a side note, the amount of paper our government seems to waste with new regulations is kind of ironic since we have a whole bureaucracy dedicated to protecting the environment.:: they really need to get on the same page!

[Country Kids]

In what type of situation would you need one?

No other profession is even comparable to child care so just curious what type of profession you feel this is also applicable?

Lots of other professions need a license but do not need to hand them out, they just post on their walls for clients to see.

Doctors, Dentist, Nail Techs, Plumbers, Electrician's, Car Mechanics, Hair Stylists, Teachers, etc.

Then if you don't have a license for what your profession is but run a business you may need to have a business license but I'm never handed one of those either.

[daycarediva]

I am all for it.

If that becomes the norm, running an illegal childcare will become exceptionally difficult to pull off. Penalties will also become stiffer. The charges would then include fraud because the parent would expect a copy of their license. Fake licenses would bring bigger charges.

We have to give parents a State handbook that summarizes the rules, their rights, responsibilities and gives them all of the contact information they need should things go south. I think that started back in the early 2000's. Our inspections are posted online, too.

One more step to make it harder for others to cheat the system is cool with me.

Agree!

I actually REALLY like this! We are now mandated to give parents access to our online licensing site. It's sparked great conversations with families about legal/illegal and what licensing entails.

We are to display our license prominently, as well as our inspection history.

I would just update my handbook to reflect the license, make it tiny, and send home parents a contract addendum with copy of the regulation.

Increasing parent education and awareness is a good thing, imo.

[Blackcat31]

Sorry, I don’t think I was clear...

Lots of other professions need a license but do not need to hand them out, they just post on their walls for clients to see.

Doctors, Dentist, Nail Techs, Plumbers, Electrician's, Car Mechanics, Hair Stylists, Teachers, etc.

Then if you don't have a license for what your profession is but run a business you may need to have a business license but I'm never handed one of those either.

:confused: I know other professions need a license.

(bolder) how would that even be useful or necessary?

You also said earlier that you don’t ask other professions for a copy so I am curious which profession you’d ask and why.

[Blackcat31]

I guess I was thinking of other providers who must have a license, like doctors usually hang their degrees and license to practice medicine on their office walls. Or nail/beauty salons, restaurants, ect. I dont think the services are comparable, but needing a license to operate is fairly standard. I guess I just dont get the point. I can understand how it may help show culpability to the parents, but it kind of seems like a waste of paper. On a side note, the amount of paper our government seems to waste with new regulations is kind of ironic since we have a whole bureaucracy dedicated to protecting the environment.:: they really need to get on the same page!

Isn’t most required paperwork in fcc a waste of paper? ::

I know lots of other professions that require a license, my question was why would a consumer NEED a copy (as their business is not comparable to child care).

CK used that logic as to why she thought it unfair to require Oregon providers to supplya copy so I was just curious why she’d want or need one..

[hwichlaz]

In what type of situation would you need one?

No other profession is even comparable to child care so just curious what type of profession you feel this is also applicable?

You don’t need a copy of you providers license either. There is literally zero reason for it. Part of the required paperwork in my state includes collecting a receipt proving you provided them with licensing’s contact info.

[CalCare]

No one I have toured has ever asked to see my posted one (we are required to have a license here and we are required to post it). So if I had to hand them out, same would hold true, that not a single one would know that I am supposed to hand them one. So, this doesn't solve the problem of illegal, unlicensed places starting people up with care and providing care because obviously the parents wouldn't know they need to be handed a license copy- just like they already don't know I have to be licensed and have my license posted. If an illegal, unlicensed place never mentions it, the parents would assume it's legal just because they don't know anything about licensing.
I like the idea of every family getting a copy if regs. But I don't want to be responsible for printing and handing out. They should get it themselves from licensing! Ha, yeah right. Once it takes a little effort, never mind, they don't want it after all!

[Country Kids]

:confused: I know other professions need a license.

(bolder) how would that even be useful or necessary?

You also said earlier that you don’t ask other professions for a copy so I am curious which profession you’d ask and why.

Nail/Hair Stylist-many run these out of their homes and how would I know if they are licensed through my state to do hair/nails and if they have a license to run out of their home

Electricians/plumbers/contractors-I would like to see their license before they come into where ever I'm needing their services and make sure they have something show they are licensed to do the service I have hired them for. If I'm having someone do work for me, want to make sure they know what they are doing and two they are licensed to do this job.

Real Estate Agent-Really don't want to get through the process of trying or buying a house to find out they aren't a real agent.

Insurance Agent

The list could honestly go on and on but I guess the point is, there are many professions out there that need a license but we don't ask or feel the need to see their license. I know I have read stories and I'm sure you all have where someone isn't the profession they say they are and your like how could that happen.

I feel what is happening is states are letting to many people slip through the cracks and because of the states mistakes, we know have to go through the extra steps in order to make things right.

[Ariana]

Isn’t most required paperwork in fcc a waste of paper? ::

I know lots of other professions that require a license, my question was why would a consumer NEED a copy (as their business is not comparable to child care).

CK used that logic as to why she thought it unfair to require Oregon providers to supplya copy so I was just curious why she’d want or need one..

I guess it would also be a way for fake DRs or fake nurses etc to be charged same as an unlicensed provider. Oh wait I guess we assume all DRs are legit and deserve the respect of not assuming they are

I know of two DRs off hand who did not have a license to practice medicine but did it anyway in my province. Handing over a license might have prevented them from working for years.

I definitely see the point and think if it this way for providers it should be this way for all professions requiring a license to interact with the public. I feel it sends a message that many providers are operating without a license and it immediately assumes guilt and it is now up to the parents to police them. Why not employ people (or more people) to check licenses if they truly are worried.

Most providers here are legally unlicensed and we have been mandated to provide a written signed agreement explaining this to parents when they sign up. It makes legally unlicensed providers look bad. Why not make unlicensed providers illegal....oh wait we supply 85% of childcare!!

[Country Kids]

I guess it would also be a way for fake DRs or fake nurses etc to be charged same as an unlicensed provider. Oh wait I guess we assume all DRs are legit and deserve the respect of not assuming they are

I know of two DRs off hand who did not have a license to practice medicine but did it anyway in my province. Handing over a license might have prevented them from working for years.

I definitely see the point and think if it this way for providers it should be this way for all professions requiring a license to interact with the public. I feel it sends a message that many providers are operating without a license and it immediately assumes guilt and it is now up to the parents to police them. Why not employ people (or more people) to check licenses if they truly are worried.

Most providers here are legally unlicensed and we have been mandated to provide a written signed agreement explaining this to parents when they sign up. It makes legally unlicensed providers look bad. Why not make unlicensed providers illegal....oh wait we supply 85% of childcare!!

This is what I'm thinking-why daycare providers and not everyone who holds a license to work in their profession.

[Ariana]

This is what I'm thinking-why daycare providers and not everyone who holds a license to work in their profession.

I personally think it is because of the way our profession is viewed in society. We are mostly seen as uneducated, lazy people who are trying to scam the system/parents. We are not seen as professionals deserving of trust. We need to be policed at every turn.

[Blackcat31]

I see this as a logical way to address situations where parents do not know the differences in licensing classes.... certified or registered or licensed exempt or operating illegally all together.

Also isn’t Oregon a state that allows a license holder and provider to be two different people? I thought I read something about additional training requirements for providers that aren’t the license holders and the requirement to provide a copy of the license is one way the state is addressing this confusion.

You don’t need a copy of you providers license either. There is literally zero reason for it. Part of the required paperwork in my state includes collecting a receipt proving you provided them with licensing’s contact info.

Maybe, maybe not ..... Oregon seems to have a specific issue (?)

No one I have toured has ever asked to see my posted one (we are required to have a license here and we are required to post it). So if I had to hand them out, same would hold true, that not a single one would know that I am supposed to hand them one. So, this doesn't solve the problem of illegal, unlicensed places starting people up with care and providing care because obviously the parents wouldn't know they need to be handed a license copy- just like they already don't know I have to be licensed and have my license posted. If an illegal, unlicensed place never mentions it, the parents would assume it's legal just because they don't know anything about licensing.

True but it sure covers DHS’s butt

I like the idea of every family getting a copy if regs. But I don't want to be responsible for printing and handing out. They should get it themselves from licensing! Ha, yeah right. Once it takes a little effort, never mind, they don't want it after all!

I’m required to give parents a summary of my state’s Family Child Care reglations/requirements—- I do it electronically via e-mail.
No additional cost or real time loss on my part.
I require parents to reply so I have proof.

Nail/Hair Stylist-many run these out of their homes and how would I know if they are licensed through my state to do hair/nails and if they have a license to run out of their home

Electricians/plumbers/contractors-I would like to see their license before they come into where ever I'm needing their services and make sure they have something show they are licensed to do the service I have hired them for. If I'm having someone do work for me, want to make sure they know what they are doing and two they are licensed to do this job.

Real Estate Agent-Really don't want to get through the process of trying or buying a house to find out they aren't a real agent.

Insurance Agent

The list could honestly go on and on but I guess the point is, there are many professions out there that need a license but we don't ask or feel the need to see their license. I know I have read stories and I'm sure you all have where someone isn't the profession they say they are and your like how could that happen.

You are legally entitled to a copy though if you ask.

As I said previously, child care just isn’t comparable to any other business. Being a service provider for ANYTHING other than children just isn’t as regulated. When children are involved it invokes a different set of logic.

I feel what is happening is states are letting to many people slip through the cracks and because of the states mistakes, we know have to go through the extra steps in order to make things right.

Exactly what so many providers (Annalee, Cat Herder etc) have been venting about.... Oregon just seems to be later in joining the circus...

I’ve been saying it forever... child care as we know it (knew it) will be non-existent before too long.

This is what I'm thinking-why daycare providers and not everyone who holds a license to work in their profession.

A bad manicure or even a leaky plumbing job just isn’t comparable to providing care to a child.

As always it boils down to liability.
Depending on who’s tush is on the line or in the spotlight at the moment. *sigh*

[Ariana]

I would argue that most parents would be more concerned that their plumber didn’t have a license than their DCP! Toilets are precious!

[Country Kids]

I would argue that most parents would be more concerned that their plumber didn’t have a license than their DCP! Toilets are precious!

My preschool toilet clogged first time in 21 years. Plumber came out and unpluggled-10 min work for 95 dollars. Had to have it done though as I wasn't about to clean out my entire private bathroom for the kiddo's to use.