Filed a Complaint on Provider - Was A Misunderstanding

[amberrose3dg]

Ok. I am shocked there is more than one. Both tied into blankets to constrict movement during nap. I hate to see this is becoming a thing. I thought it went away in the 90's.

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/i...ntify_day.html

That is scary

[amberrose3dg]

Do you really think if parents had access to her home "at all times" that this person would never have acted in such a way? That would have stopped her?
According to you, she had already had adults there (assistants). She's done it in other states.

There will always be terrible humans. No matter their occupation.

Most daycares dont allow parents to come in and hang out at nap time. The kids wont sleep. She clearly thought it was ok that she did it in front of assistants. :confused:

[Country Kids]

Same story ....

https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-day-care-danger-children-sunnyside-sprouts/

We have something similar happening here....
DHS issues a ton of violations in some serious areas and yet provider is still open and operating :confused:

Thank you for posting this-I don't know how to link stories. This is a very, very scary situation and our state is implementing tons of new rules and we think because of this story is why.

Some new rules:

No swaddling infants
No sleep sacks (I think)
Not being in a stroller, swing, saucer for longer than 20 minutes. I believe I also heard high chair is being added to this.

Then I heard something about infants not being in childcare before three months but not sure what that was about.

[Country Kids]

But how long should they be allowed to stay?

My parents come in, drop off and at pick up come into the preschool room, kids get shoes, coats, etc and then out the door-total time 10 min if that?

This way I'm always present with the kiddo's and not having to leave and answer the door, go back have the kiddo get ready and then bring back to the parent.

[Cat Herder]

Some new rules:

No swaddling infants
No sleep sacks (I think)
Not being in a stroller, swing, saucer for longer than 20 minutes. I believe I also heard high chair is being added to this.

Those have been law here for a long while. The 20 minutes applies to cribs, too. Infants are to be placed awake on backs, no blankets, no toys. If still awake after 20 minutes, they are to be placed on the rug for free play.

Blanket sleepers (footed pj's), with legs, are allowed and recommended.

[Country Kids]

Those have been law here for a long while. The 20 minutes applies to cribs, too. Infants are to be placed awake on backs, no blankets, no toys. If still awake after 20 minutes, they are to be placed on the rug for free play.

Blanket sleepers, with legs, are allowed and recommended.

So what happens if you go on a walk that last longer than 20 min? Our walks are generally 30 min-45.

[Blackcat31]

So what happens if you go on a walk that last longer than 20 min? Our walks are generally 30 min-45.

Then you wake baby... or don't go for a walk until baby has napped.

Infants disrupt the flow of the regular day and that's just the way it is. Infants have a specific set of needs and those needs trump everyone else's needs.

Hence the reason many providers no longer accept infants.

[Country Kids]

Then you wake baby... or don't go for a walk until baby has napped.

Infants disrupt the flow of the regular day and that's just the way it is. Infants have a specific set of needs and those needs trump everyone else's needs.

Hence the reason many providers no longer accept infants.

Has nothing to do with the baby napping-they do not want them in a stroller for longer than 20 min (awake or not).

[Cat Herder]

So what happens if you go on a walk that last longer than 20 min? Our walks are generally 30 min-45.

We must stay within the fenced (inspected/approved) area unless we have a very detailed, signed, field trip form from each parent. Even to play with sidewalk chalk or hunt Easter eggs in the front yard. ::

Going for a twenty minute walk would require two extra adults (because of ages, needs), a phone call to licensing, an activity, curriculum goals for each age group and 6 signed permission forms.

It would not be worth it for me. More likely I'd have DH (registered sub) stay with youngers and do a preschool only trip.

Any infant in a stroller would be required to be removed after 20 minutes. The field trip planning would have to take this into account and plan a stop or two for large muscle movement and social/emotional interaction before return to stroller. Pop tents and play hut tunnels are great for this purpose.

[Blackcat31]

Has nothing to do with the baby napping-they do not want them in a stroller for longer than 20 min (awake or not).

Oh yeah that's right..... I forgot CHs state is more rigid about that... given her regulations, I wouldn't even bother taking the kids off site. Too much work for too little gained.

My state dictates only where infants sleep not how long or how little they can be in any type of baby equipment.

[Cat Herder]

Oh yeah that's right..... I forgot CHs state is more rigid about that... given her regulations, I wouldn't even bother taking the kids off site. Too much work for too little gained.

My state dictates only where infants sleep not how long or how little they can be in any type of baby equipment.

It is because of the number of places that were strapping difficult or violent kids in high chairs and giving them one cheerio every 5 minutes - for hours- to keep from having to term them or deal with the fall out.

The ones that used the cribs the majority of the day to keep from having to disinfect toys or prevent injuries.

The ones leaving kids strapped in carseats, bouncy seats or exersaucers in front of TV's the majority of the day.

We saw so many preschool kids without basic motor skills, low cognitive function and limited verbal function from years of this. It was a serious problem.

[racemom]

I just wanted to say I love how we can have this discussion about something a lot of us have different views on without anyone getting upset. Some message boards would have corroded into yelling/name calling and people leaving or being band. I feel like this is a group of friends sharing their experiences.

[hwichlaz]

Exactly. What if the parent is a bad person. As providers we are stuck in the middle. Parents should check in on their children. They also have to know that we cannot have our attention taken away from the other children in care.i can tell you I know of some scary people that shouldn't be allowed to hang at their children's daycare around other kids just because they are parents.

No one is suggesting they be left alone with the kids. What can they do with you watching that they can’t do by walking past you into the daycare room uninvited?

[Blackcat31]

I just wanted to say I love how we can have this discussion about something a lot of us have different views on without anyone getting upset. Some message boards would have corroded into yelling/name calling and people leaving or being band. I feel like this is a group of friends sharing their experiences.

I like these conversations for that reason too!

I also like reading/learning about the different perspectives!

[mommyneedsadayoff]

No one is suggesting they be left alone with the kids. What can they do with you watching that they can’t do by walking past you into the daycare room uninvited?

I am pretty sure Meeko still posts occassionally, but there are some great threads in the archive about having parents around the kids, even supervised. I cannot find the exact thread, but the father of her dcg ended up going to prison I think for pedophilia and molesting his daughter. I remember reading it and feeling how haunted she felt by something she thought was so innocent. I guess he "dropped in" in often and seemed very normal and nice.

There are a LOT of things that can be done even if notleft unsupervised. Not just to the children, but to the LONE adult in charge of a vulnerable population. We need to be keeping our own protection in mind as well, as we are the first line of defense for the kids.