New Law in IL Re: Expulsion From Preschool

[Cat Herder]

I've posted about this before. It has been coming for a while. We will soon have to adopt HR rules to enforce "accountability" of providers. It is no longer "professional" to not be able to manage all behavioral issues without complaint. After all, the goal is to keep parents at work, kids out of their homes and everyone on the same curriculum with the same environment from birth on. One nation, under core.

Public schools now require armed resource officers because of similar legislation. Will we soon qualify to hire them, too?

While I fully support leveling the playing field for poor children (or kids with disengaged parents), I disagree this is the way to do it. I think we should look for the middle ground.

[Blackcat31]

other reasons to terminate

non payment
rude parent
not following contract/policy
downsizing for my own health....

yeah, this isn't really going to affect home daycare.

I had a family in care over a period of 8 years.
3 kids. Each a "perfect" candidate for termination (ie behavioral issues)
Each child had a unique set of behavioral issues.
None requiring ECE intervention or anything like that.
all behavioral issues that stemmed from "no cry" parenting at it's finest.
Mom ALWAYS made sure to have ALL the required supplies, was timely to a tee, never paid late (well state paid so not a family responsibility) was never rude or disrepsctful to me.

IME, the families that have the worst behaving children are the "ideal" or picture perfect daycare clients ...almost as if they know... kwim? :::confused:

[Annalee]

I've posted about this before. It has been coming for a while. We will soon have to adopt HR rules to enforce "accountability" of providers. It is no longer "professional" to not be able to manage all behavioral issues without complaint. After all, the goal is to keep parents at work, kids out of their homes and everyone on the same curriculum with the same environment from birth on. One nation, under core.

Public schools now require armed resource officers because of similar legislation. Will we soon qualify to hire them, too?

While I fully support leveling the playing field for poor children (or kids with disengaged parents), I disagree this is the way to do it. I think we should look for the middle ground.

This is the argument here....with the new rules coming (and they are here just awaiting the date to be implemented), is the state/federal going to pay for education to diagnose such issues or pay for qualified personnel to be on staff in our programs to deal with these diagnosed issues in children. Providers here have had to develop "explulsion policies" but it is like everything else, gotta be careful with the wording and not sure theh state isn't going to give us "their" expulsion policy. Just another way for the our programs to be "dictated with unrealistic/crazy rules". :confused:

[Farmerswife]

I had a family in care over a period of 8 years.
3 kids. Each a "perfect" candidate for termination (ie behavioral issues)
Each child had a unique set of behavioral issues.
None requiring ECE intervention or anything like that.
all behavioral issues that stemmed from "no cry" parenting at it's finest.
Mom ALWAYS made sure to have ALL the required supplies, was timely to a tee, never paid late (well state paid so not a family responsibility) was never rude or disrepsctful to me.

IME, the families that have the worst behaving children are the "ideal" or picture perfect daycare clients ...almost as if they know... kwim? :::confused:

Yes! The one family I have termed because of behavior, the mom "****ed up" to me. Always tipped good, brought random treats to share, gave me gifts for my Birthday, Mother's Day, Christmas, etc. Her extra gifts only worked so long before I couldn't take the behavior any more. Ironically, the DCB that gives me some issues now, Mom is the exact same way!

[Cat Herder]

How quickly they forget.

The reason we were pushed to terminate children who were not doing well in our program was because of the high numbers of children whom were being abused, neglected and killed in daycares because of those behaviors. It was proven that most of those same kids could have thrived in different environments if given the gift of termination. ("can't afford to terminate" + "don't like this kid" = bad outcome)

Pendulum swing to no terminations will equate to more daycare child abuse cases. This is not new math, here. Waiting for the 2020 headlines. "Another child killed in daycare!" :dislike:

[storybookending]

The center I worked at operated by this philosophy but it was due to the fact that my boss was a total people pleaser. It was less policy and more she didn’t want to upset anyone. Honestly shes still there and I consider her a friend of mine but she’s awful at her job and I wouldn’t put my kids in any of their programs.

One child in particular was violent and hurting himself, staff and others on the daily. He had been kicked out of other daycares in town. Nothing was accomplished until the child he hurt one day happened to be my bosses bosses grandchild

Child started K and made it a whole year in the same school, he was in the class of one of my cousins so from the words of a 5 year old “he’s in the office everyday”. This year he is in 1st and they moved him to another school yet again. My best friend is one of his specials teachers.. he’s still raising hell although not as many violent outbursts.

I have termed one family since I started, my first non related family. Behavior started spiraling at the end and May have been “the straw the broke the camels back” but the family had so many more issues I can’t even begin to make a list.

[Blackcat31]

The center I worked at operated by this philosophy but it was due to the fact that my boss was a total people pleaser. It was less policy and more she didn’t want to upset anyone. Honestly shes still there and I consider her a friend of mine but she’s awful at her job and I wouldn’t put my kids in any of their programs.

That in a nutshell is probably the biggest issue most providers have.

They go into this field because they tend to be nurturing caregivers that have big hearts and emotional connections.

ALL of which are excellent traits for a caregiver to have.

None of those however translate into business owner well.

It's hard to operate a business when you "feel" for your clients.

[mommyneedsadayoff]

How quickly they forget.

The reason we were pushed to terminate children who were not doing well in our program was because of the high numbers of children whom were being abused, neglected and killed in daycares because of those behaviors. It was proven that most of those same kids could have thrived in different environments if given the gift of termination. ("can't afford to terminate" + "don't like this kid" = bad outcome)

Pendulum swing to no terminations will equate to more daycare child abuse cases. This is not new math, here. Waiting for the 2020 headlines. "Another child killed in daycare!" :dislike:

This is what I thought as well. But the mental health and well being of the provider is rarely considered. And after he/she snaps, the entire community of providers are condemned as monsters and untrustworthy. I wish some of these higher ups would have to sit in a room with a screaming child who cannot be consoled for 8-10 hours a day for a week or three and see how their mental health stacks up at the end. Everyone has their breaking point and that point should not be decided by the state.

[Cat Herder]

This is what I thought as well. But the mental health and well being of the provider is rarely considered. And after he/she snaps, the entire community of providers are condemned as monsters and untrustworthy. I wish some of these higher ups would have to sit in a room with a screaming child who cannot be consoled for 8-10 hours a day for a week or three and see how their mental health stacks up at the end. Everyone has their breaking point and that point should not be decided by the state.

Pilots are counselled about the risks of noise stress on their decision making processes and mental health. There are stringent regulations for mandatory rest and limiting noise exposure for passenger safety. They have only one job task to complete during their shift.

I guess it is simply less expensive to lose a few kids each year.

[Homebody]

Will the provider still be able to term during the "trial period" as stated in their contract for whatever reason? If so then they can extend their trial period to months rather then a couple of weeks, to find out if the child has any behavior issues.

Or I hate to say this, but if it gets to be too much just raise the rates so high for that child the parents can no longer afford the care and will be forced to go elsewhere.

I just hope they don't pass anything like this in my state. I think a lot of daycare businesses will close

[Blackcat31]

This is what I thought as well. But the mental health and well being of the provider is rarely considered. And after he/she snaps, the entire community of providers are condemned as monsters and untrustworthy. I wish some of these higher ups would have to sit in a room with a screaming child who cannot be consoled for 8-10 hours a day for a week or three and see how their mental health stacks up at the end. Everyone has their breaking point and that point should not be decided by the state.

This is important to consider.

I have been a member of forum boards now for almost a decade and I cringe every time I see a provider post something about a non-stop screaming baby or child that requires 95% of their attention due to unwanted behaviors and ANY time someone suggest terming the provider either doesn't want to lose the income or they don't want to be viewed as a failure.

That cycle (fear of income lose/ being labeled a failure etc) needs to be addressed for the mental health and well being of the provider.

Which in turns benefits the children in care..... why is that so easy to understand but so hard for any state/licensing agency etc to recognize, understand and change?

The issue for child care IMHO, lies in the well being of the provider. Providers are the foundation in early childhood education nowadays but yet the least amount of time, attention, consideration AND PAY is provided to THE most important part of the entire equation.

That is nothing more than a complete failure. :confused:

[hwichlaz]

I had a family in care over a period of 8 years.
3 kids. Each a "perfect" candidate for termination (ie behavioral issues)
Each child had a unique set of behavioral issues.
None requiring ECE intervention or anything like that.
all behavioral issues that stemmed from "no cry" parenting at it's finest.
Mom ALWAYS made sure to have ALL the required supplies, was timely to a tee, never paid late (well state paid so not a family responsibility) was never rude or disrepsctful to me.

IME, the families that have the worst behaving children are the "ideal" or picture perfect daycare clients ...almost as if they know... kwim? :::confused:

I have one like this...but because her parents are great clients I keep her. It's more tolerable if you have a good parent/provider relationship. Her issues are NOT parent caused though... failing to work on behavior issues at home is a direct violation of the terms of my contract.

[mommyneedsadayoff]

This is important to consider.

I have been a member of forum boards now for almost a decade and I cringe every time I see a provider post something about a non-stop screaming baby or child that requires 95% of their attention due to unwanted behaviors and ANY time someone suggest terming the provider either doesn't want to lose the income or they don't want to be viewed as a failure.

That cycle (fear of income lose/ being labeled a failure etc) needs to be addressed for the mental health and well being of the provider.

Which in turns benefits the children in care..... why is that so easy to understand but so hard for any state/licensing agency etc to recognize, understand and change?

The issue for child care IMHO, lies in the well being of the provider. Providers are the foundation in early childhood education nowadays but yet the least amount of time, attention, consideration AND PAY is provided to THE most important part of the entire equation.

That is nothing more than a complete failure. :confused:

It is like that old saying, "if momma ain't happy, nobody is happy!" They want daycare to provide these stress free, nurturing environments, yet they never seem to factor in the provider's stress and well being when making decisions like these that are suppose to "improve" daycare.

I may have missed this info, but is this only suppose to apply to those who accept state pay or is it for private pay daycare too?

[daycarediva]

Yeah well provider can terminate for another reason. Late payment, late pick up etc.. kids with behavior problems will most likely have parent issues also. When I have had to terminate a kid for bad behavior the parents always had issues also. I will close before I let the state tell me which clients I have to take and keep.

I have found the opposite, unfortunately. This may be an economic factor, but in my cases of extreme behaviors in children, the parents were the over the top, coddling, helicopter type.

Sec. 5.10. Child care limitation on expulsions. Consistent with the purposes of this amendatory Act of the 100th General Assembly and the requirements therein under paragraph (7) of subsection (a) of Section 2-3.71 of the School Code, the Department, in consultation with the Governor's Office of Early Childhood Development and the State Board of Education, shall adopt rules prohibiting the use of expulsion due to a child's persistent and serious challenging behaviors in licensed day care centers, day care homes, and group day care homes. The rulemaking shall address, at a minimum, requirements for icensees to establish intervention and transition policies, notify parents of policies, document intervention steps, and collect and report data on children transitioning out of the program.

INSANITY. I would change my hours, or call for pick up (can't term, didn't say you HAD to keep the child in care) until the parent terminated, etc.

I've posted about this before. It has been coming for a while. We will soon have to adopt HR rules to enforce "accountability" of providers. It is no longer "professional" to not be able to manage all behavioral issues without complaint. After all, the goal is to keep parents at work, kids out of their homes and everyone on the same curriculum with the same environment from birth on. One nation, under core.

Public schools now require armed resource officers because of similar legislation. Will we soon qualify to hire them, too?

While I fully support leveling the playing field for poor children (or kids with disengaged parents), I disagree this is the way to do it. I think we should look for the middle ground.

I agree, and I am SO saddened with the way this is going.

I also agree to the rest of the bolded, these children NEED help. From cradle to bars. Head start is a total failure. I honestly think we need parent education, parent initiatives. Want free childcare? Show up to these parenting classes, complete a home study, maintain on time attendance. You CANNOT change the outcome for the child with a prek program- it's TOO late. You have to CHANGE HOME first.

This is what I thought as well. But the mental health and well being of the provider is rarely considered. And after he/she snaps, the entire community of providers are condemned as monsters and untrustworthy. I wish some of these higher ups would have to sit in a room with a screaming child who cannot be consoled for 8-10 hours a day for a week or three and see how their mental health stacks up at the end. Everyone has their breaking point and that point should not be decided by the state.

lovethis

[Cat Herder]

You have to CHANGE HOME first.
lovethis

And that is why the home visiting program is being pushed here. They want us actually teaching parents child development, health/safety, nutrition and discipline techniques in their own homes.

I resisted at first because I saw the over reach into other peoples homes and a drain to my time and resources when my kids also needed me. Now that I am empty nest, I can see an opportunity to serve my community in a real way.

Imagine what all those retired teachers could do.