Neighbor Has A Loud Illegal Daycare

[Unregistered54351]

So we didn't want to bother the neighbor because everyone here tries to make money any possible way, with the 6,000 dollar a month mortgages and all. However he started bullying and harassing us anyway he can. He called the storm drain department because a past tenant was throwing ciggarete buds into the concrete gutter between the houses. He called the building inspector because we had a shed within 5 feet of the concrete gutter, not within 5 feet of his house, so hes just harassing us over a technicality when it isn't to any detriment to him, also the shed was almost entirely blocked by greenery on the furthest possible location from his house, so again no reason why its bothering him. Yet he came out starting screaming and swearing, yelling for us to tear it down threatening to call building inspector. And we did tear it down, and he still called the building inspector. Then he called the building inspector over us having too many people in a single family zoning house. We can actually change the zoning to multi family, but it requires neighbor consent. So it's entirely his opinion if we are doing anything wrong, and he's abusing it as hard as he can. Turns out that he has been bullying and causing people to sell their houses and move out since 2009. Anyway he doesn't go to work, and turns out his wife stays at home all day and they have six kids splashing and screaming in the pool every weekend. They are in mid 40s and have a single child. So those can't be grandkids in there. Can't be friends kids either because the guy is so toxic I can't imagine people staying friends with him. Also, How are they making money if both are staying at home all day? They are probably making 1500 bucks a kid, and they only let them into the pool on the weekends to minimize the noise to keep stealth. So yeah, those kids have been splashing around and screaming in the pool every weekend for the last year. This is a super quiet residential neighborhood too. No one else is making any noise.

Trouble is, I'm in hawaii and I can't find anyway to report them or look them up to see if they have a license. I found like a child abuse hotline in the same pages that talk about daycare laws and regulations, but I can't find anything else. I don't think a child abuse hotline is relevant to illegal daycares.

[midaycare]

I don't know the rules about daycares in Hawaii. Is it truly illegal? If so, find the state number and call it. Report it. You don't have to have a reason. It's illegal.

[Blackcat31]

So we didn't want to bother the neighbor because everyone here tries to make money any possible way, with the 6,000 dollar a month mortgages and all. However he started bullying and harassing us anyway he can. He called the storm drain department because a past tenant was throwing ciggarete buds into the concrete gutter between the houses. He called the building inspector because we had a shed within 5 feet of the concrete gutter, not within 5 feet of his house, so hes just harassing us over a technicality when it isn't to any detriment to him, also the shed was almost entirely blocked by greenery on the furthest possible location from his house, so again no reason why its bothering him. Yet he came out starting screaming and swearing, yelling for us to tear it down threatening to call building inspector. And we did tear it down, and he still called the building inspector. Then he called the building inspector over us having too many people in a single family zoning house. We can actually change the zoning to multi family, but it requires neighbor consent. So it's entirely his opinion if we are doing anything wrong, and he's abusing it as hard as he can. Turns out that he has been bullying and causing people to sell their houses and move out since 2009. Anyway he doesn't go to work, and turns out his wife stays at home all day and they have six kids splashing and screaming in the pool every weekend. They are in mid 40s and have a single child. So those can't be grandkids in there. Can't be friends kids either because the guy is so toxic I can't imagine people staying friends with him. Also, How are they making money if both are staying at home all day? They are probably making 1500 bucks a kid, and they only let them into the pool on the weekends to minimize the noise to keep stealth. So yeah, those kids have been splashing around and screaming in the pool every weekend for the last year. This is a super quiet residential neighborhood too. No one else is making any noise.

Trouble is, I'm in hawaii and I can't find anyway to report them or look them up to see if they have a license. I found like a child abuse hotline in the same pages that talk about daycare laws and regulations, but I can't find anything else. I don't think a child abuse hotline is relevant to illegal daycares.

https://www.daycare.com/hawaii/

[hwichlaz]

They couldn't be his kid's friends? Or the sunday school kids his wife teaches or something like that?

[Unregistered]

They couldn't be his kid's friends? Or the sunday school kids his wife teaches or something like that?

every weekend for a year? and considering they don't go to work?

[midaycare]

every weekend for a year? and considering they don't go to work?

Is it just weekends? Because that's odd. I would say it's probably not a daycare then.

[Mom2Two]

Sounds like a difficult neighbor, but maybe get some more facts about the situation first.

Are you friends with other of your neighbors? Maybe they know something about it.

[MarinaVanessa]

How do you know it's illegal daycare? According to Hawaii's regulations a licensed family childcare home can have up to 6 kids in care at a time so if she was licensed then she's within ratios and is doing nothing wrong.

One thing that I did read about Hawaii (I didn't find the actual regulation, but I found a website speaking about noise issues) is that even though there is a 10pm noise cutoff rule if at any point anyone becomes annoyed with the amount of noise that someone else is making and it goes on for more than 10 minutes at a time then you can call the authorities and file a noise complaint. Someone will sent out and may ask for the noise to stop, if they don't stop they can be arrested for disorderly conduct. Craziest thing I ever heard but well, there is that. If the noise really does bother you and you aren't just complaining due to retaliation for this neighbor calling the authorities on you then you call to file a complaint. Looks like you'll have to have proof that the kids are out there for extended periods of time so I'd record the noise level from your home for a long time to prove that the noise is loud and constant. Otherwise if someone takes a while to come out (like a day or week later) they might not hear anything and nothing will be done and you could be ticketed for harassment.

Here's the quote that I found:

Question: One night, I was entertaining a guest and just having fun when police came. The officer said I needed to turn the music down because my neighbor complained. I asked if she thought my music was loud and the officer said no, but the neighbor is complaining. I asked about the law which allows me to play my music until 10 p.m.
She said the 10 p.m. law is not applicable if the neighbor is complaining. I was told that if the neighbor continues to complain, the officer would come back and arrest me. I also informed her that there has been harassment by the neighbors toward me (TRO on file).

About a month earlier, police also came to my house at about 2 a.m. saying that the neighbor was complaining about my music. Everyone in my house was asleep and the police just left. They considered it another harassment case.

This is becoming unbearable. If the law says 10 p.m., can the police arrest me at 9 p.m. even if the officer thinks there was no violation?

Answer: It is a common misconception that 10 p.m. is a "cutoff" time for reporting noisy neighbors.

But there is nothing in the law that specifies a time, said Honolulu Police Department spokeswoman Michelle Yu.

When responding to a noise complaint, a police officer will determine "if the noise level is reasonable given the time of day, location etc.," she said.

"If it is unreasonable, the officer will talk to the party and ask them to lower the noise level," she said. And, yes, if you refuse, you could be arrested for disorderly conduct.

It is a subjective determination, since the officer won't be carrying a noise monitor.

It sounds as if there is more going on between you and your neighbor, so advising you to attempt to resolve the problem in a neighborly manner obviously wouldn't work. But in other cases, calling the Mediation Center of the Pacific, 521-6767, may be a way to resolve such problems.

[Leigh]

every weekend for a year? and considering they don't go to work?

My next door neighbors don't "go" to work, either...they work at home. My neighbor across the street is legally disabled and doesn't go to work, either. That wouldn't mean that they have a childcare.

During daytime hours on the weekends, there isn't much to complain about. They have a right to enjoy their pool during reasonable hours.

I truly doubt that it is a daycare-I would think they're caring for a relative's child, or their child is having guests-when you have a pool, everyone is your best friend~!

[LysesKids]

My next door neighbors don't "go" to work, either...they work at home. My neighbor across the street is legally disabled and doesn't go to work, either. That wouldn't mean that they have a childcare.

During daytime hours on the weekends, there isn't much to complain about. They have a right to enjoy their pool during reasonable hours.

I truly doubt that it is a daycare-I would think they're caring for a relative's child, or their child is having guests-when you have a pool, everyone is your best friend~!

We have a lady down the street that has 3 kids.... she lets the Nanny bring her 3 kids too, yep I can only have 4, but they have 6 in their house; guess who has had complaints, not to mention toddlers almost being hit by cars... yep, the lady down the street; even management has said something to the Nanny because she isn't doing her job right

[Blackcat31]

I don't know...I don't think this really has anything to do with honest concerns for children and their well being and has a whole lot more to do with what one can do to "get back" at neighbor that bothers you as much as you bother him.

I wonder how long he's lived there?

If he's been harassing neighbors for years now one would think the police would have a record of the calls/complaints etc and be able to help build a case against him for harassment.

My experience is that the police rarely do anything when both parties are behaving badly.

[Unregistered]

Probably his kids that he shares custody and gets them on weekends.

[HappyEverAfter]

I don't know...I don't think this really has anything to do with honest concerns for children and their well being and has a whole lot more to do with what one can do to "get back" at neighbor that bothers you as much as you bother him.

I wonder how long he's lived there?

If he's been harassing neighbors for years now one would think the police would have a record of the calls/complaints etc and be able to help build a case against him for harassment.

My experience is that the police rarely do anything when both parties are behaving badly.

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[Unregistered54351]

I don't know...I don't think this really has anything to do with honest concerns for children and their well being and has a whole lot more to do with what one can do to "get back" at neighbor that bothers you as much as you bother him.

I wonder how long he's lived there?

If he's been harassing neighbors for years now one would think the police would have a record of the calls/complaints etc and be able to help build a case against him for harassment.

My experience is that the police rarely do anything when both parties are behaving badly.

He doesn't call the cops. But hes got the phone numbers of the storm drain department, the building inspector, ect.

[Unregistered]

Today is wednesday, I was walking by the house and I saw one kid playing on a miniature playground, and then I heard from an open window two kids being noisy. One was a toddler, the other was a crying infant. None of those kids are theirs.

I regret explaining the whole situation. I see this phenomenon often. You explain the story, and the details, then people will construct their own narrative, and think it to be true then refuse to help you.

The question was, how do you report an unlicensed daycare in hawaii.

Most of the replies are conversations about what people think is happening.

Someone said that you can have up to 6 kids if you are licensed. I don't think these people are licensed. I googled their address, nothing came up. No one in the neighborhood thinks they have a licensed daycare business.

Another wild guess I heard was that they were working from home. The husband is an ex firefighter. You think he works from home? Also he walks around permanently angry with a frown on his face. You think someone would willingly give their child to that? As for the mother working online, if shes working at home/online, whos taking care of the 6+ children/toddlers/infants?

So if they aren't working, how are they getting money? They are obviously getting like 1500 bucks a pop per child.

I thought that they ran the daycare only on the weekends, but again, i saw proof today that there are kids there on the weekdays too. Why are they keeping the kids inside on workdays? Probably so that they can hide under the cover of "oh the kids are just coming over for a pool party on the weekends". They don't want anyone to get suspicious so they keep them indoors on the weekdays, and let them into the pool on the weekends. I'm not sure what the three year old boy was doing alone and unattended outside outday. Maybe he managed to get loose when the infant started crying.

Someone else said that it could be the parent's friends or family kids or something. I don't think this is even reasonable to consider. I don't care how friendly you are with your family, having other peoples kids at your house every single week of the year, and now not even only on the weekends. I remember when I was in middle school. Some uncle had a huge house and people would go there on sunday, but it was occasionally, maybe once every three weeks. But here, everyday?

So last case scenario, Maybe it is actually the extended family, and they all dump their kids off at this couples house for some family under the table daycare, so if they are paying money to this couple for these six or seven kids. Just because it's family, does that mean you, don't need a business license, don't need a cpr certification, don't need a daycare license, and don't need training? So if you are doing business only within family, then you don't need need to follows laws and regulations?

Best case scenario, we catch someone doing an illegal business under the table, and either make them go legit or quit. Worst case scenario, they are fully qualified, and they just show all their paperwork to whomever and everyone moves on with their life. No damage done. I don't see why people are white knighting these people.