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[Baby Beluga]

This is my new walker (about 1 month walking). He CAN sit on his own. But often he is sitting as pictured. Head will be back or head will be chin to chest.

Took his pants off today so I can observe his legs. Is this normal for a new walker?

I've googled, but my search terms aren't pulling up anything similar.

I'm sorry for the sideways pics. Although straight on my end, they are uploading sideways.

[Josiegirl]

That top picture is especially concerning. I'm no means qualified to say yes or no but I'd certainly want to have him looked at by a pedi. I've never seen a new walkers legs look like that. :confused:

[daycarediva]

It looks like knock knees!

[daycarediva]

http://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/knock-knees/symptoms-and-causes

No clue about the sitting though. Can he cross them?

[finsup]

I've never seen a child with legs like that. I it were my own, I would definitely get it checked out.

[daycarediva]

I had a child enrolled in my center who had this, and the pediatric orthopedic specialist wasn't at all concerned. He DID NOT sit like that, though and had no trouble otherwise. It's more severe than we typically see but it's reallllly common to some degree in children, they just usually have a lesser degree of it and chunky thighs hide it, too.

[daycarediva]

https://community.babycenter.com/post/a29410745/knock_kneesbow_legs

has a picture of how I see many toddlers looking in the ankle width area.

[Baby Beluga]

Yes, he can cross his legs.

I thought of knock knees too but his looked so severe I didn't know if they would be considered knock knees.

Do knock knees cause pain? He just sits all day long. Doesn't play or eat. He is currently sitting on a rug with 3 other children his age. A wooden block is about 5 inches from him and instead of engaging with the blocks/children he is playing with the snaps on his onesie. I am taking into account separation anxiety and parallel play for this age (18 months) but something just seems off.

I've noticed when he immediately stands he isn't as "knee knocked" as the pictures. But once he is standing for 1 minute+ his legs go inward, hi torso goes to the left and he pelvis juts out.

FWIW, he is also unable to step over things. EX: the dividers that divide my grass and gravel, it's maybe an inch high. He stops or trips on it. Won't pick his feet up to step over it. Same with the patio poor coming inside from outside.

I am trying to 1) give him a proper adjustment period an 2) gather all of my info/thoughts before bringing it to mom's attention. At home she says he runs, eats a ton and plays. Here? Totally different child. Sits, doesn't eat, play, engage or reach for things.

Him sitting normally:

[daycarediva]

Maybe it's knock knees combined with an overall lack of muscle tone. Sitting with his legs so far out makes me feel like it's a trunk/muscle control issue.

Knock knees also shouldn't affect gait and movement. That's definitely a red flag.

The kiddo in the center had no pain, and played/acted normally other than his knees looking obviously different. They are that severe, and the ankles almost roll in when he stood for a long time.

[BumbleBee]

Looks like hypotonia to me, given the head back or forward stuff. Could be an explanation with the knee knocking too. I'd recommend he be evaluated and send along a written page of what you're seeing at daycare, include pictures if you can and when these things are happening.

[daycarediva]

Is there anything on his physical form?

[Baby Beluga]

No, nothing noted on his form.

I too thought of low muscle tone.But also read that low muscle tone isn't an actual diagnoses but a symptom of a larger more in depth diagnoses.

He fatigues so easily. But does he fatigue easily or is used to being babied, used to being carried and is mad that I expect him to walk on his own and therefore is appearing to be fatigued?

[TheMisplacedMidwestMom]

Possible undiagnosed CP?

https://www.abclawcenters.com/frequently-asked-questions/what-are-the-earliest-signs-of-cerebral-palsy/

[daycarediva]

I need a medical degree for this job lately, I swear!

I have my own ?? about a dck, but I'm hoping the parent sees it (motor skill issue) It's on the pedi form as 'potential gross motor delay noted'

but when I showed it to the dcm, she acted clueless and has commented 4 times about how athletic he is like his Dad (I have seen her FIVE times total so...)

[Baby Beluga]

I need a medical degree for this job lately, I swear!

I have my own ?? about a dck, but I'm hoping the parent sees it (motor skill issue) It's on the pedi form as 'potential gross motor delay noted'

but when I showed it to the dcm, she acted clueless and has commented 4 times about how athletic he is like his Dad (I have seen her FIVE times total so...)

You have no idea how many times this thought has occurred.

Think mom is in denial?