Non Vaccinated Children

[knoxmomof2]

I had a parent interview, pay deposit, start her child and a week later let me know that he was accepted into (public) preschool and would be leaving if they had space for him in after school care....not a word was said before then. She tried to slip out a week early on her 2 week notice when he did get accepted, but my deposit policy requires 2 weeks' notice to use the 1 week deposit towards last week of care. My point is : I am just over dishonest people and how they try to change everything after the deal is done.

I am most irritated at her veiled threat to you. If you can't find a legal way to refuse care, at the very least, I would start the child and term the moment I found an opportunity that wouldn't leave you vulnerable to legal issues. Document everything with this family in order to cover yourself.

[Tigerlilly]

I'm not going to take unvaccinated children either unless there is a medical reason. But here is the thing, there is a very low chance that a child will be allergic to all vaccines. Like I can't get the tetanus vaccine but I can get all of the other vaccines just fine. So I would be fine taking a child that did not have one or two vaccines because of an allergy or bad reaction to it.

But I am not going to deal with an antivax parent. I would just tell them the spot is filled and leave it at that.

[Ariana]

I'm not going to take unvaccinated children either unless there is a medical reason. But here is the thing, there is a very low chance that a child will be allergic to all vaccines. Like I can't get the tetanus vaccine but I can get all of the other vaccines just fine. So I would be fine taking a child that did not have one or two vaccines because of an allergy or bad reaction to it.

But I am not going to deal with an antivax parent. I would just tell them the spot is filled and leave it at that.

For my child they could not isolate the allergen causing the reaction. They basically refused to do it because it would take too much time, energy and money. My only option was to vaccinate and hope for the best or not vaccinate. She was medically exempted from all her vaccines except the MMR. Why? Because that is the one that antivaxxers think causes autism and DRs don't want to give exemptions for it. Its ridiculous! Everyone gets lumped into the same category.

My child does not have all of her vaccinations because no one in the medical community wanted to help me isolate the allergen. So now my daughter and I are going to be penalized for it.

Would you feed your child a soup that caused a severe allergic reaction without knowing which ingredient caused that reaction? Of course not!

[Tigerlilly]

For my child they could not isolate the allergen causing the reaction. They basically refused to do it because it would take too much time, energy and money. My only option was to vaccinate and hope for the best or not vaccinate. She was medically exempted from all her vaccines except the MMR. Why? Because that is the one that antivaxxers think causes autism and DRs don't want to give exemptions for it. Its ridiculous! Everyone gets lumped into the same category.

My child does not have all of her vaccinations because no one in the medical community wanted to help me isolate the allergen. So now my daughter and I are going to be penalized for it.

Would you feed your child a soup that caused a severe allergic reaction without knowing which ingredient caused that reaction? Of course not!

I find it odd they would not try to isolate what was causing the allergy. They were really proactive with me when I had a bad reaction.

[Ariana]

I find it odd they would not try to isolate what was causing the allergy. They were really proactive with me when I had a bad reaction.

Completely agree with you! The allergist even had a consult with his colleague who is the top allergist in my City to see what they could do. I was pretty angry when they basically said they could do nothing. When I asked him what my choices were he said "well you could choose not to vaccinate" and that was that. When I spoke to my regular DR after he refused to exempt us from the MMR he wanted to refer me to "the best allergist in the City" and well it was the same guy our allergist consulted with so there was no point. I asked for the list of ingredients and it was a mile long so I kind of understood where he was coming from. How did they isolate your allergen? My daughter also reacted to the tetanus portion of the vaccine.

Lets just say my faith in the medical system is not what it used to be. Until you start experiencing this crap for yourself it is easy to judge others decisions (general you, not you specifically).

[Second Home]

Some parents don't understand the difference between a center and a home provider either.

Centers must have wheelchair access etc. Not so for home providers. Home providers get to choose who comes and goes at THEIR home.

Not 100% true ( per an ADA representative). If putting in a ramp is not cost prohibited to your business you would be required to have a wheelchair ramp built . So a daycare who has a high income level may be required to have a ramp built but a low income level daycare would not .

[EntropyControlSpecialist]

You would not be held liable for a communicable disease being passed to anyone, vaccinated or unvaccinated. My children are not vaccinated and they have valid exemptions. If there was ever to be an outbreak my children would be required to stay at home. You could have a clause like that in your contract if you are worried. Having said that most adults are not vaccinated so even the adults can bring it into your daycare.

Bingo.

My youngest child (soon to be children) is also unvaccinated.

[sharlan]

Here is my adult dds issue with the vaccines. In CA we have to be immunized. My dd is allergic to latex.

The labs at Kaiser will not give her the immunzation because the needle goes through a latex stopper on the vial.

Her Dr will not give her the waiver. He says to have a n EpiPen on hand and give it a try.

Lab still says no.

After 13 months of fighting between the Dr and lab, 30 emails, her Dr nurse wrote the waiver and had the Dr sign it.

Dh is allergic to tetanus, no Dtap for him.

[Ariana]

Here is my adult dds issue with the vaccines. In CA we have to be immunized. My dd is allergic to latex.

The labs at Kaiser will not give her the immunzation because the needle goes through a latex stopper on the vial.

Her Dr will not give her the waiver. He says to have a n EpiPen on hand and give it a try.

Lab still says no.

After 13 months of fighting between the Dr and lab, 30 emails, her Dr nurse wrote the waiver and had the Dr sign it.

Dh is allergic to tetanus, no Dtap for him.

Oh my word! At first my DR told me it was because the vaccine is kept in egg..they are not...but I thought 'ok I know they have vaccines not stored in egg because my friend is allergic to egg'. Shows how educated my DR is They have not been stored in egg in a long time according to the allergist.

[renodeb]

The whole vax/non-vax issue is a very hot button issue in my state. I actually took a nonvaxed child for a while but eventually they had to leave because no pediatrician would see him because of that reason. I know now that I will not being taking anymore. It's to much of a risk. (to the one that's not vaccinated especially).
The problem with where I live is that there is very little real guidance. Apparently a parent can claim religious exemption even if that is not the real reason. The mom I dealt with just didn't believe in vaccinations but claimed religious just to get around it. I would hate to find out after the initial interview that, that was the reason I couldn't take a child. I don't think any provider should be forced or threatened into taking a non vaccinated child. That mom was simply interpreted the law to suit her. I wouldn't enroll her because chances are she will pull another stunt somewhere along the line.

[SunflowerMeadow]

I've always felt that it's a parent's decision to vaccinate or not and as such I do not discriminate against people for that reason. I personally did not fully vaccine in my children

[Mummy101]

Hello All!

I had a family stop by my facility, last week, that were interested in bringing their child to my daycare. The hours and days they were looking for worked for my current availability so we reached an agreement on a price and hours. It all went great, and then I later received a text that their child was not immunized but that my law I couldn't turn them down. I contacted licensing (CA) and they let me know that if they did have a medical exemption that as long as I had a copy of it then it would be fine. WELL.... I have a few concerns...

Ive had children brought to me who have had HFM, salmonella, even a case of measles during the outbreak (of course I sent them home when I noticed that the children were sick).. but since this family's child isn't immunized or "protected" from these diseases... if god forbid she were to catch something.. wouldn't I be held liable?

Is there some sort of form that states that I wouldn't be held liable that the parents can sign?

I don't know what to do..

Thank you!

Unvaccinated children are not something to be afraid of. The media would have you believe they are a threat to your safety, radical and weird. Really, that is so untrue. Not every parent chooses to feed their child Macdonald’s, just like not every parent chooses to vaccinate. It is in fact the law in most states that no can be FORCED into vaccinating.

Parents who choose not to vaccinate are usually extremely informed and aware of the outcome should their child be exposed. They have weighed the pros and cons of vaccinations and made an informed decision. Simply have her sign something saying you will not be held liable if her children become exposed. Honestly, she will probably not flinch one bit. Exposure builds the immune system and parents who do not vaccinate value this highly. Exempt.pdf

https://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=003597

If you are interested, you can educate here: https://www.learntherisk.org/

[daycarediva]

My only issue would be with the mother not being upfront AND then they way she worded it to you, as a thinly veiled threat.

Did you accept them and tell them such before this text?

I would be very tempted to tell them that based on how she threatened you, you do not think you would be able to form a good business relationship with her and that you think it best that they not enroll. Then deal with her backlash. Which will PROBABLY be a giant temper tantrum.

It's MY HOME. I can accept/not accept anyone I want. I don't discriminate, but I can tell you that if a parent told me I *had* to accept them, I sure as hell wouldn't.

[Meeko]

My only issue would be with the mother not being upfront AND then they way she worded it to you, as a thinly veiled threat.

Did you accept them and tell them such before this text?

I would be very tempted to tell them that based on how she threatened you, you do not think you would be able to form a good business relationship with her and that you think it best that they not enroll. Then deal with her backlash. Which will PROBABLY be a giant temper tantrum.

It's MY HOME. I can accept/not accept anyone I want. I don't discriminate, but I can tell you that if a parent told me I *had* to accept them, I sure as hell wouldn't.

Amen to this!

I would terminate for this. If they had discussed with you, that's one thing. But threatening you? Not exactly a good way to start a business relationship and I would tell her so.