California -- CCNR's Prohibit Home Business

[Cat Herder]

I do see that as a valid point! Never thought of it that way! I could definitely understand where condos and apartments get tricky! I wouldn't want a bunch of people in and out of a secured facility dropping and picking up their kids. I also wouldn't want to hear a daycare right next door or above me ::

Any business really would be annoying to a neighbor in close living quarters IMO.

I am confused about the one neighborhood I talked about above though because they are a "family based" development but then limit daycare providers to 4 kids???

Now THAT makes no sense to me at all. That would be the entire point of a subdivision for young families, community support systems. That would be "the dream" location. I would move to one of those TODAY - if I could find one. Lol

I really did think Condos were for A). people of empty nest age who are having a harder time managing acreage and general maintenance B) people who chose not to have kids C) small families on the go.

We all have to plan for our eventual retirement, this thread was a shock to me. I was hoping to scale down to a sleepy condo, in about 10 years, and travel more. Very interesting topic.

[Snowmom]

That has always been the case inside city limits, here, unless the land is zoned mixed use. That is why I have always lived further out into the rural county areas; to run my family childcare program. I assumed that was the point of zoning.

Q: Do you guys really feel that people who don't want to live near daycares/dog groomers/shade tree mechanics, etc., and pay dearly for it, should not have protections as well? Really? Never? Why should they have to wait until 55? :confused:

**Don't get angry, please. I seriously want to understand the other side of this.** :hug:

My view: I am coming to the end of my career and after 30 years of other peoples screaming kids, no matter how much I adore them now, I would like to think I had earned the right to a little peace and quiet, somewhere. Especially on my own property. Property I searched out for its HOA and covenants. :confused:

Why should *your (broad) rights be more valued than mine in this scenario??

No worries. I'm happy to answer from my own perspective.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect that if you live in a neighborhood that consists of 4-6 bedroom homes, there's going to be children.
All of these new home developments I speak of are 4-6 bedroom homes in family neighborhoods, with parks, walking trails and playing fields and even advertise the great school districts. They are designed for families.

In a large (60+ home) family community, no, I don't think it's reasonable. Those HOA restrictions don't apply to those that have other businesses out of their home (that could still require that business owner to have daily traffic out of their home) but have specific rules against daycare.

I grew up in a big family, my mom grew up in a big family. To me, having 10 neighborhood kids playing in the backyard is no different than the way we grew up and it infuriates me that the expected trend now is to stick all the kids in centers and formal preschools away from the family neighborhoods and communities.

I don't balk at your right to live in a peaceful, quiet home if that's what you'd like. But why oh why does ALL the new home developments need to be this way?
14 builders in my area and 13 of them restrict how you can use your brand new 450k home.

[Cat Herder]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect that if you live in a neighborhood that consists of 4-6 bedroom homes, there's going to be children.

They are designed for families.

I don't balk at your right to live in a peaceful, quiet home if that's what you'd like. But why oh why does ALL the new home developments need to be this way?
14 builders in my area and 13 of them restrict how you can use your brand new 450k home.

I agree with you there. That makes no sense to me at all. :confused: Seems family childcare in that setting would be extremely desired.

Maybe it is the 450k that makes it so? That is 4 times the average price, here, so I am picturing Stepford Village... :::: It may be the norm there.

I was really thinking about Condos since they are a group living situation, where owners of individual units, themselves, agree to a similar lifestyle before purchase. To "buy in" then try to force everyone else to just **** it up, seems unfair.

I guess now that I typed it up I can see how those who can afford a 450k home would feel the same. :confused: Ugh.

So, what is the point of zoning and covenants if they are not enforceable . Anyone :confused: I really am interested. Is even owning a home worth it, anymore. I really am not seeing the benefits. :confused:

[sharlan]

I agree with you there. That makes no sense to me at all. :confused: Seems family childcare in that setting would be extremely desired.

Maybe it is the 450k that makes it so? That is 4 times the average price, here, so I am picturing Stepford Village... :::: It may be the norm there.

I was really thinking about Condos since they are a group living situation, where owners of individual units, themselves, agree to a similar lifestyle before purchase. To "buy in" then try to force everyone else to just **** it up, seems unfair.

I guess now that I typed it up I can see how those who can afford a 450k home would feel the same. :confused: Ugh.

So, what is the point of zoning and covenants if they are not enforceable . Anyone :confused: I really am interested. Is even owning a home worth it, anymore. I really am not seeing the benefits. :confused:

Due to the extremely high cost of housing in CA, many families buy condos. Some cater to the over 55 crowd but most cater to families.

[ardeur]

This is a gated, family community -- not an age-restricted one. Lots of working couples and children here.

My husband and I wish to approach this very delicately and respectfully with our HOA board. I plan to accommodate them as far as I can but we still depend on my daycare income to live, so that needs to stay. I'm thinking the children won't be allowed outside during certain hours and I might consider pick-up or drop-off on the curb just outside the complex to limit traffic. Not sure if that is allowed in regs, though.

[Cat Herder]

This is a gated, family community -- not an age-restricted one. Lots of working couples and children here.

My husband and I wish to approach this very delicately and respectfully with our HOA board. I plan to accommodate them as far as I can but we still depend on my daycare income to live, so that needs to stay. I'm thinking the children won't be allowed outside during certain hours and I might consider pick-up or drop-off on the curb just outside the complex to limit traffic. Not sure if that is allowed in regs, though.

Did you know the covenants before you made an offer. Did you tell them you intended to run a family childcare there before purchase?

[sharlan]

Did you know the covenants before you made an offer. Did you tell them you intended to run a family childcare there before purchase?

In CA, it doesn't matter. A HOA cannot stop you from running an inhome daycare. Someone once told me that state trumps HOA's.

I was thinking about getting a large license, I'm currently small. I asked my city, they told me I had to apply for all sorts of things ($$), get permission from my neighbors, blah, blah, blah. I dropped it. I talked to licensing awhile back. I was given the name of someone in Sacramento. As it turned out, the city had no say and could not charge all the fees they were asking for.

[Cat Herder]

In CA, it doesn't matter. A HOA cannot stop you from running an inhome daycare. Someone once told me that state trumps HOA's.

I was thinking about getting a large license, I'm currently small. I asked my city, they told me I had to apply for all sorts of things ($$), get permission from my neighbors, blah, blah, blah. I dropped it. I talked to licensing awhile back. I was given the name of someone in Sacramento. As it turned out, the city had no say and could not charge all the fees they were asking for.

Got it. I thought it was for private, single family homes.

[ardeur]

Did you know the covenants before you made an offer. Did you tell them you intended to run a family childcare there before purchase?

We were not given the CCNRs until escrow. I tried calling the management office and they wouldn't share ANY details with me since we weren't in escrow yet.

I am not required to tell anyone anything since we are (or will be in 1-2 weeks) owners. We're not renting, so no notification has to happen.

[Cat Herder]

We were not given the CCNRs until escrow. I tried calling the management office and they wouldn't share ANY details with me since we weren't in escrow yet.

Oh, wow. That seems so shady of them.

Good luck, it sounds like your State is on your side though, so it should be a slam dunk.

[spedmommy4]

This is a gated, family community -- not an age-restricted one. Lots of working couples and children here.

My husband and I wish to approach this very delicately and respectfully with our HOA board. I plan to accommodate them as far as I can but we still depend on my daycare income to live, so that needs to stay. I'm thinking the children won't be allowed outside during certain hours and I might consider pick-up or drop-off on the curb just outside the complex to limit traffic. Not sure if that is allowed in regs, though.

All previous posters are correct. It's your legal right; however, you should expect a fight anyway. When I applied for my permit in CA, the HOA filed opposition. This forced a hearing. Ultimately the HOA was told they didn't have standing but it delayed my license. Just be prepared for them to make a stink. Attend your hearing prepared. (if there is one) Bring a copy of the law and a plan for how you'll handle noise