Local Daycare

[daycarediva]

Shut down July of this year. They found over 30 children in her basement, all ages. Lots of parent complaints. Neighbor complaints.

Just got a phone call from a parent asking if I had openings. This same provider is operating blatantly unlicensed-facebook page, website, advertising, and WELL over ratio (Mom took a picture of 15 kids in the backyard today at drop off, the helper wasn't there yet, so just her)... provider is telling people she is licensed as a small center. My state stopped giving out small center licenses years ago!

I happen to know the woman who is the foster mother of this providers child! (child was VOLUNTARILY given up in Sept of this year)

I urged Mom to call OCFS and gave her the number.

I am SO SICK of these types of 'providers'.

[Annalee]

Shut down July of this year. They found over 30 children in her basement, all ages. Lots of parent complaints. Neighbor complaints.

Just got a phone call from a parent asking if I had openings. This same provider is operating blatantly unlicensed-facebook page, website, advertising, and WELL over ratio (Mom took a picture of 15 kids in the backyard today at drop off, the helper wasn't there yet, so just her)... provider is telling people she is licensed as a small center. My state stopped giving out small center licenses years ago!

I happen to know the woman who is the foster mother of this providers child! (child was VOLUNTARILY given up in Sept of this year)

I urged Mom to call OCFS and gave her the number.

I am SO SICK of these types of 'providers'.

A licensed provider in a neighboring county got caught with double the number of children allowed under the age of 2. But still operating today....this happened last week.....licensing called the parents to pick up but she is open today???? not sure which kids she has but you would think the parents enrolled would be concerned at the illegal activity???

[Ariana]

So many providers operating illegally. Ugh.

Let me get this straight, the provider gave up her own child but is running a daycare with 15 children :confused:

[daycarediva]

A licensed provider in a neighboring county got caught with double the number of children allowed under the age of 2. But still operating today....this happened last week.....licensing called the parents to pick up but she is open today???? not sure which kids she has but you would think the parents enrolled would be concerned at the illegal activity???

YES! Some of the same kids enrolled, too. :confused: I know they called for pick up, and she was shut down for group daycare.

I am torn, I know TWO of the new parents with children enrolled. One a friend from college, and one is a family friend.

[Baby Beluga]

So many providers operating illegally. Ugh.

Let me get this straight, the provider gave up her own child but is running a daycare with 15 children :confused:

Here too. It is ridiculous. And in my state they really don't do much. Recently on a FB swip swap page a mother was looking for care in our area. A local resident chimed in and said something along the lines of "if you are going with in home care make sure the provider cares for no more than 4 children. Anything more than 4 requires a license." Wouldn't you know almost every provider after that deleted their "I have an opening" post.

[Controlled Chaos]

I just can't imagine. I was over ratio with one child for an hour once (half day child's mom was late) and I felt soooooo bad. I have added in procedures to avoid it happening in the future. Being a rule follower is the worst.

Though I am honestly not surprised parents return to the illegal provider. She could have lied about reason for pick up the other day, changing providers is stressful, and most parents have NO IDEA at all of licensing rules and regulations.

[daycarediva]

Here too. It is ridiculous. And in my state they really don't do much. Recently on a FB swip swap page a mother was looking for care in our area. A local resident chimed in and said something along the lines of "if you are going with in home care make sure the provider cares for no more than 4 children. Anything more than 4 requires a license." Wouldn't you know almost every provider after that deleted their "I have an opening" post.

I got BASHED for posting on a MOPS group for my area that you have to be licensed to provide care for more than 2. A parent enrolled asked me to post the 'rules', she came to my defense as well. So many unlicensed providers started going off on me. Seriously?

I just can't imagine. I was over ratio with one child for an hour once (half day child's mom was late) and I felt soooooo bad. I have added in procedures to avoid it happening in the future. Being a rule follower is the worst.

Though I am honestly not surprised parents return to the illegal provider. She could have lied about reason for pick up the other day, changing providers is stressful, and most parents have NO IDEA at all of licensing rules and regulations.

The state stayed until EVERY child was picked up. So I'm sure the state told them.

I am also a rule follower. I can't understand this mindset of not following a law you don't agree with. That always makes me think- what else are you doing?

[Fiddlesticks]

I just can't imagine. I was over ratio with one child for an hour once (half day child's mom was late) and I felt soooooo bad. I have added in procedures to avoid it happening in the future. Being a rule follower is the worst.

This is exactly why I do not take half day children anymore. I charge per day, I don't care if you need two hours or ten, the fee is the same. I was tired of being at the mercy of the parents picking up on time to stay in ratio, or the half day parent occasionally asking for a full day---NO! You pay half day prices for a reason, because you need half a day! If you want the option of all day, pay all day! Anyway... the stress of all that is over.

[Play Care]

There are so many reasons parents stay with a provider.
Sometimes they are in denial. It's hard for them to believe that someone they trusted with their child wasn't being truthful.
I also think many believe the State is too intrusive and that the person is just "babysitting," so what's the big deal?
We had a case here last year where an illegal provider's husband was accused of sexually abusing a day care child. Parents who had used this provider were coming out in droves to defend her and her husband. They had no idea she needed to be licensed to care for all those kids...

[finsup]

Here too. It is ridiculous. And in my state they really don't do much. Recently on a FB swip swap page a mother was looking for care in our area. A local resident chimed in and said something along the lines of "if you are going with in home care make sure the provider cares for no more than 4 children. Anything more than 4 requires a license." Wouldn't you know almost every provider after that deleted their "I have an opening" post.

At least they deleted? Here, they try to argue and reason away why it's ok, or allowed etc. I have made some people very mad when I call them on it. And I AM the legally unliscesned one .

[EntropyControlSpecialist]

That's very concerning! I don't understand how this happens at all. Those of us who are legal are looked at under a microscope, but those that are illegal seem to be able to continue operating past the point of being told to shut down (OR, are never told to shut down).

My state, apparently, provides "waivers" of some sort if your spouse has some violent criminal background because the illegal provider I've been reporting for more than half a year is still operating. They call me to update me on it and said she finally applied to become legal but the background check department will be the deciding factor. She was illegally operating for more than 1.5 years and would delete and block everyone who attempted to tell her to submit an application to the state to be legal. :dislike:

[Mom2Two]

That's very concerning! I don't understand how this happens at all. Those of us who are legal are looked at under a microscope, but those that are illegal seem to be able to continue operating past the point of being told to shut down (OR, are never told to shut down).

I feel this same way sometimes. I feel like the standard is so extremely high for us, and yet there are illegal places with 15 kids, including a bunch of babies, and ONE provider.

[Shawn]

It's to the point where SOME parents don't seem to care if you're licensed or not. For many it's all about what they can get for less. If the daycare will keep the child for 12 hours a day and charge less than the daycare down the street, it's a deal. No matter that there are 14 kids and the provider has a little beer on her breath. As long as mom can afford her new car payments. It's sad. When you hear about daycares being reported for being over ratios or a child gets harmed, you wonder if the parent just over looked all the red flags. I remember reading about a child death at a daycare where they found a kitchen waste basket full of beer cans, a knife hanging off the edge of the counter and she had more children than what she was suppose to have and visual mold in the carpet of the playroom. When asked why she had too many kids, she said she could only find parents who couldn't afford to pay enough for her to care for less children. And that was a licensed daycare. At what point do we make everyone accountable. The providers, the parents and the government to help make childcare more affordable.

[MissAnn]

I kept seeing a post about a daycare that was obviously unlicensed but operating legally....but she kept saying it was a "3 star quality" program. I work hard for my 3 stars and it urks me that she would advertise as a 3 star program. I started writing posts every 3 days on Craigslist describing what it takes to be a 3 star program and that no program should use that term unless they have actually gone through the process and earned those stars.

[Play Care]

I feel this same way sometimes. I feel like the standard is so extremely high for us, and yet there are illegal places with 15 kids, including a bunch of babies, and ONE provider.

One of our regulations after a child who drown while at a day care. The provider had a pool off her deck that was not fenced off and the child somehow got out and drowned.
The kicker? The provider was unlicensed (I don't recall if she was also illegal).
No amount of regulations will matter, because if you are not licensed, no one is coming to check to make sure you have gates, alarms, etc.