Vaccines requirements CALIFORNIA (boy has zero vaccines)

[Unregistered]

We have a family interested who children have zero vaccines, multiple doctors did recommend them not to do it due to extreme family illness (and a very bad reaction to the one time they did try to vaccine him).

With a note from the doctors would we be able to accept that boy?

I wonder if there is some exempt. Anyone knows?

[daycare]

We have a family interested who children have zero vaccines, multiple doctors did recommend them not to do it due to extreme family illness (and a very bad reaction to the one time they did try to vaccine him).

With a note from the doctors would we be able to accept that boy?

I wonder if there is some exempt. Anyone knows?

My understanding is that the answer to having zero would be no
A doctor may say the child can't have one or a series due to such an issue, but zero I highly doubt that would be allowed.
I would call your county health coordinator and ask.

[CityGarden]

The personal exemption has been pulled in CA but not the medical one... I am not sure what is required for it but that is still a valid exemption from my understanding.

I would like to gently add you might want to consider how parents of currently enrolled families would feel if you enrolled this child. People are very passionate about this topic. I don't think we should make decisions about our business based on what the parents of children in our care think but this is a hot button safety concern for many. I do have a friend who accepted a child a couple years back who had a valid exemption and she became the non-vacc daycare which she has now had to spend years trying to adjust that reputation. I will say I am not personally a fan of the current vaccination schedule and my daughter had a significantly modified schedule that I partnered with our pediatrician on but she was not in group care.

[Blackcat31]

We have a family interested who children have zero vaccines, multiple doctors did recommend them not to do it due to extreme family illness (and a very bad reaction to the one time they did try to vaccine him).

With a note from the doctors would we be able to accept that boy?

I wonder if there is some exempt. Anyone knows?

I can't say I'd have issues with the non-vaccinating but I'd have serious concerns about that (bolded).

I don't know if I'd want to "invite" extreme illness into my home. Even if child themselves isn't sick, they would still be a carrier.

I also have to wonder WHY they would NOT be vaccinated due to extreme illness? That seems like MORE of a reason to make sure you are vaccinated. If someone is extremely sick, their immune system is stressed so they would have an even lesser chance of fighting off something, including those illnesses and diseases we normally vaccinate for.

I think you (OP) need to find out a lot more information about the situation before deciding if you want to be enrolling this family.

The personal exemption has been pulled in CA but not the medical one... I am not sure what is required for it but that is still a valid exemption from my understanding.

I would like to gently add you might want to consider how parents of currently enrolled families would feel if you enrolled this child. People are very passionate about this topic. I don't think we should make decisions about our business based on what the parents of children in our care think but this is a hot button safety concern for many. I do have a friend who accepted a child a couple years back who had a valid exemption and she became the non-vacc daycare which she has now had to spend years trying to adjust that reputation. I will say I am not personally a fan of the current vaccination schedule and my daughter had a significantly modified schedule that I partnered with our pediatrician on but she was not in group care.

The common thought process is that children that ARE vaccinated aren't the ones at risk. The non-vax'ed child is counting on the herd immunity the vaccinated kids provide so "technically" the vaccinated kids/families need not worry.

I also want to mention that it's probably not a good idea to discuss anyone's medical condition with other families. You could find yourself in some hot water for not keeping family info confidential.

NOT saying you (CityGarden) suggested telling them, just clarifying what my point.

[LysesKids]

I can't say I'd have issues with the non-vaccinating but I'd have serious concerns about that (bolded).

I don't know if I'd want to "invite" extreme illness into my home. Even if child themselves isn't sick, they would still be a carrier.

I also have to wonder WHY they would NOT be vaccinated due to extreme illness? That seems like MORE of a reason to make sure you are vaccinated. If someone is extremely sick, their immune system is stressed so they would have an even lesser chance of fighting off something, including those illnesses and diseases we normally vaccinate for.

I think you (OP) need to find out a lot more information about the situation before deciding if you want to be enrolling this family.



The common thought process is that children that ARE vaccinated aren't the ones at risk. The non-vax'ed child is counting on the herd immunity the vaccinated kids provide so "technically" the vaccinated kids/families need not worry.

I also want to mention that it's probably not a good idea to discuss anyone's medical condition with other families. You could find yourself in some hot water for not keeping family info confidential.

NOT saying you (CityGarden) suggested telling them, just clarifying what my point.

Extreme family illness could mean someone in the home the child lives in has cancer; I know when I lived with my dad, my children could not get any live vaccinations due to the chemo (Polio was still oral at the time & my youngest had to wait for MMR too)... I had medical waivers for all my kids. (I was a part time caretaker for dad, then I moved out & another sibling moved in & took over). I also had medical waivers for DPT on all the kids because of severe reactions to the Pertussis part. Just my thought on it...

[mommyneedsadayoff]

Extreme family illness could mean someone in the home the child lives in has cancer; I know when I lived with my dad, my children could not get any live vaccinations due to the chemo (Polio was still oral at the time & my youngest had to wait for MMR too)... I had medical waivers for all my kids. (I was a part time caretaker for dad, then I moved out & another sibling moved in & took over). I also had medical waivers for DPT on all the kids because of severe reactions to the Pertussis part. Just my thought on it...

That was my thought too. It was the same for my mom with leukemia. I would just see what the medical exemption requires and decide if you would like to provide care.

[Blackcat31]

Extreme family illness could mean someone in the home the child lives in has cancer; I know when I lived with my dad, my children could not get any live vaccinations due to the chemo (Polio was still oral at the time & my youngest had to wait for MMR too)... I had medical waivers for all my kids. (I was a part time caretaker for dad, then I moved out & another sibling moved in & took over). I also had medical waivers for DPT on all the kids because of severe reactions to the Pertussis part. Just my thought on it...

I considered that possibility too but OP used the wording "extreme illness".

I, personally wouldn't use the words extreme illness when talking about a situation like that...(that is where my head was ) but either way, it's neither here nor there as the non-vaccinating situation itself is the issue for the provider to work around or get a waiver for.

The reasons really might not be her concern as the state/licensing is the one that makes that decision.

The "extreme illness" OP mentioned is just another aspect of the situation and one, no matter what the meaning behind the wording is, that I would need to consider entirely as the provider before "inviting" any of it into my program.

[daycare]

http://www.shotsforschool.org/laws/sb277faq/

Look up SB277

This was the new law passed that children must be vaccine before entering a new heard/school

I have a child
With zero immunizations but she was here prior to the law change. If she wants to leave and go else where then she would be required to have all vaccines prior to entering the new school

Despite this families extreme illness what do they have to do with not getting all of the immunizations. ?? Only seeing a doctor can they make that decision if the child should not have them. It sounds the parents made the decision not to get them because they have some sort of illness in their family, not because a doctor made the decision. If it was a doctor who did then I'm sure they would already have some form of documentation.

Just thinking out loud here.

[MarinaVanessa]

The parent has to give you a written statement from a licensed physician (M.D. or D.O.) which says that (1) the child has a physical condition or medical reasons that he/she can't get vaccinated (2) which vaccines are being exempted and (3) whether the medical exemption is permanent or temporary (and an expiration date, if the exemption is temporary).

Only a licensed Medical Doctor or Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine can provide a medical exemption. Not a nurse Practitioner, assistant, naturopathic doctor, school nurse etc, which is different than before.

If they're reasoning for not getting vaccinated is because of "family illness" I don't know if that would count and by reading the verbiage it doesn't sound like it. It sounds like they're only interested if the child itself has medical reasons not to vaccinate. You should call licensing and ask them directly if your analyst would accept that.

A bunch of providers I know where so distracted by the new child vaccine laws that they completely missed the new provider vaccine laws that went into effect this month and now they're scrambling to get their records/get vaccinated because technically they're out of compliance. Oy vey, with these vaccine laws .

[CityGarden]

The parent has to give you a written statement from a licensed physician (M.D. or D.O.) which says that (1) the child has a physical condition or medical reasons that he/she can't get vaccinated (2) which vaccines are being exempted and (3) whether the medical exemption is permanent or temporary (and an expiration date, if the exemption is temporary).

Only a licensed Medical Doctor or Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine can provide a medical exemption. Not a nurse Practitioner, assistant, naturopathic doctor, school nurse etc, which is different than before.

If they're reasoning for not getting vaccinated is because of "family illness" I don't know if that would count and by reading the verbiage it doesn't sound like it. It sounds like they're only interested if the child itself has medical reasons not to vaccinate. You should call licensing and ask them directly if your analyst would accept that.

A bunch of providers I know where so distracted by the new child vaccine laws that they completely missed the new provider vaccine laws that went into effect this month and now they're scrambling to get their records/get vaccinated because technically they're out of compliance. Oy vey, with these vaccine laws .

Where can I find the provider vaccine laws? All I saw was the TB test

[Unregistered]

I should have giving more details, I meant that the family have a history of auto immune disease, leukemia, lupus etc.. Just hearing all the details made me so anxious and stressed for them. So sad.

Their doctor has an amazing reputation, the office called today and confirmed it was the doctor advice NOT to vaccine, other members from this family tried vaccines and had severe reaction to it (fever, fainting, vomiting etc...).

The doctor said to wait a few years. I guess in case he develops something? or until he has a strong immune system.

Thank you for that link and all the answers. SO helpful!!! I didn't want to be completely clueless when calling in!

[daycare]

Where can I find the provider vaccine laws? All I saw was the TB test

in the link I provided you can see both child and provider immunization laws

[Blackcat31]

I should have giving more details, I meant that the family have a history of auto immune disease, leukemia, lupus etc.. Just hearing all the details made me so anxious and stressed for them. So sad.

Their doctor has an amazing reputation, the office called today and confirmed it was the doctor advice NOT to vaccine, other members from this family tried vaccines and had severe reaction to it (fever, fainting, vomiting etc...).

The doctor said to wait a few years. I guess in case he develops something? or until he has a strong immune system.

Thank you for that link and all the answers. SO helpful!!! I didn't want to be completely clueless when calling in!

Thank you for the clarification...

I am going to assume the Dr advised that the child wait due to the reactions other family member's had.

My DH has an auto-immune disease and is encouraged to be diligent about his immunizations, boosters and yearly flu shots because the auto immune disease makes it so that he is more prone to catching things and then of course when he does, it's much more serious than it is for a normal person. A simple case of the stomach flu could mean a hospital stay for him.

[daycare]

If that is the case that it is a medical issue and ordered by the child's doctor, then all you would need to do is what MV said in her post.

have a doctor written note with treatment plan. It would need to detail if there will be a plan for immunizations in the future and if so they will need to have a scheduled date planed out for them.

For example, I have a child that is on a delayed schedule due to similar reasons as your child, so I have a doctors note with the spaced out dates of when the child is going to be getting the immunizations. I have to follow that plan and require the family to update the child's records in accordance to the new plan. does that make sense?

[MarinaVanessa]

Where can I find the provider vaccine laws? All I saw was the TB test

Here's the fact sheet:

https://www.sccgov.org/sites/sccphd/en-us/Residents/ized/schools-childcare/Documents/CASB792.pdf