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[Controlled Chaos]

This is right up the street from me

I had a parent pick up that day asking if I had heard. I had not...and then she described the child's death in front of all the other daycare parents picking up. So sad.

http://childcarelicensing.utah.gov/centerinterpretation.htm

These are our center rules, I havent had a chance to look through them.

Being in Utah...our rules tend to be more lax than a lot of other states.

[AmyKidsCo]

That's so sad.

My first question was how many children were in the room? And how many caregivers? I've never worked in a center, but with family events it seems that the more adults around the LESS supervision there is because everyone assumes someone else is watching the kids. When it's just ME I know I have to be vigilant because there's no one else watching.

I'm so glad I don't have bean bags anymore!

[thrivingchildcarecom]

Unbelievable! So sad!

[Controlled Chaos]

That's so sad.

My first question was how many children were in the room? And how many caregivers? I've never worked in a center, but with family events it seems that the more adults around the LESS supervision there is because everyone assumes someone else is watching the kids. When it's just ME I know I have to be vigilant because there's no one else watching.

I'm so glad I don't have bean bags anymore!

Thats a real sociological phenomenon. The more people present, the less responsibility each person feels. This is how kids drown at family pool party with tons of people around. My Grandma (lived in LA) always made sure there was a designated "adult" at all time watching the pool and kids in general. You had to wear an ugly orange hat for 30min shifts at family get togethers.

[mommyneedsadayoff]

Thats a real sociological phenomenon. The more people present, the less responsibility each person feels. This is how kids drown at family pool party with tons of people around. My Grandma (lived in LA) always made sure there was a designated "adult" at all time watching the pool and kids in general. You had to wear an ugly orange hat for 30min shifts at family get togethers.

OMG! I thought that was just my mom! She is probably the reason I am so insane about pools, but she had the same thought process. More adults does not necessarily mean more supervision. It can sometimes mean even less, since they all are expecting others to overcompensate. I feel so bad for all involved and regardless, it is such a lesson in how quick it can all end.

[Nurse Jackie]

Wow how sad I'm assuming the bean bag was for the adults to sit not the infants.

[Blackcat31]

....and the center had cameras.

[Controlled Chaos]

....and the center had cameras.

But cameras keep kids safe... right?!

[Nurse Jackie]

Wish I never watched the news clip. I feel so sorry for mom. Instead of planning a party she's planning a funeral.

[Play Care]

Maybe this child likes to hide. It's takes only a few seconds to pass out and a few more to die from asphyxiation.

"In 62 cases where "time to unconsciousness" was reported, the average was 35 seconds (range 10-120 seconds). Death will often follow in about 10 minutes, sometimes as quickly as 5 minutes"

I was thinking like I imagine licensing is thinking. We are supposed to have eyes on the kids at all times. Counting, counting, watching, counting, and more watching. That's drilled into us at every training on regulations. So it will be a question that's asked.
10 minutes is a lifetime to not know a child's location in day care.

[Mike]

So sad. This will have a long term effect on many people.

[Febby]

That's so sad.

My first question was how many children were in the room? And how many caregivers? I've never worked in a center, but with family events it seems that the more adults around the LESS supervision there is because everyone assumes someone else is watching the kids. When it's just ME I know I have to be vigilant because there's no one else watching.

I'm so glad I don't have bean bags anymore!

I've worked in a lot of centers and it depends a lot on the caregivers. Some will always supervise, regardless of how many others are there. Some won't supervise well under any circumstances. Most are somewhere in between. Which is why whenever I get floaters in my room, I usually assign them an area to supervise. Otherwise they tend to hover near me and not focus on the kids very well.

As far as the incident, I could see it happening. Not everyone supervises their children well (see above) and children can go missing for periods of time without anyone noticing. Not that that it should, but it does and I've worked with enough mediocre people that I'm not shocked.

[Cat Herder]

2014 - The U. S. Consumer Product Safety Commission has issued voluntary guidelines for drawstrings on children's clothing to prevent strangulation and has banned the use of bean bag infant cushions that can pose a choking or suffocation risk.

2014 - WASHINGTON, D.C. – The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) and Ace Bayou Corp., of New Orleans, La., are announcing the voluntary recall of about 2.2 million bean bag chairs following the deaths of two children.

The zippers on the bean bag chairs can be opened and children can then crawl inside, get trapped and suffocate or choke on the bean bag chair’s foam beads. The voluntary standard requires non-refillable bean bag chairs to have closed and permanently disabled zippers.

1998- A coroner's inquest is looking into the circumstances surrounding the death of an autistic girl living in a Toronto-area group home.

Stephanie Jobin, 14, died after being physically restrained by two employees at the group home. In June 1998, while she was living in a group home outside of Toronto, two employees restrained her with a deflated bean bag.

According to the Crown, one employee sat on her legs, while the other sat on her shoulder blades. They rolled her over when she stopped struggling.

But Jobin had stopped breathing and didn't have a heart beat. After struggling for 20 minutes, Stephanie stopped breathing. Her death was ruled an accident.

Restraint “procedures”.

[Mike]

1998- A coroner's inquest is looking into the circumstances surrounding the death of an autistic girl living in a Toronto-area group home.

Stephanie Jobin, 14, died after being physically restrained by two employees at the group home. In June 1998, while she was living in a group home outside of Toronto, two employees restrained her with a deflated bean bag.

According to the Crown, one employee sat on her legs, while the other sat on her shoulder blades. They rolled her over when she stopped struggling.

But Jobin had stopped breathing and didn't have a heart beat. After struggling for 20 minutes, Stephanie stopped breathing. Her death was ruled an accident.

Restraint “procedures”.

No surprise to me. I did the maintenance work in 2 group homes from 2009 to 2015. One was the 5-9 boys and the other was the older boys. I've seen the outbursts the kids can get into and the restraining the workers had to do. It would be very possible for it to get out of control.

I don't know about there, but here the group homes do have 1 regulation that I think helps with safety. If a kid is on the floor, the worker is not allowed to do anything. A lot of the work I did at the homes was patching and repainting the drywall on the lower half of the walls. ::

[Meeko]

This is fairly near me. About 30 miles north. They are a large center (licensed for 237 kids) According to their licensing record, they were cited for a supervision issue last year