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For the first time I am at my capacity limit with children. I have twin boys who are in 4th grade (these are my own children) I do not allow any friends in my house during daycare however, the neighbor kids do come over to see if my kids can play at there houses or outside. How picky is DHS about this?
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In my state, they wouldn't care if my kids were playing at someone else's house. Their concern is more about how many kids I'm supervising at my house. If the kids were all playing outside, it wouldn't matter as long as they weren't playing in my yard. If they were to come in to my yard to play, they would count in my numbers. I would check your state's regs, though, because all states are different.Comment
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Sorry I should have worded this better...
I'm up for my two year inspection and I am at capacity for the first time. I have twin boys who are in 4th grade and a neighborhood full of kids looking to play with mine. I'm worried that my licensor will show up and these kids are going to be outside looking for my kids and throw me over capacity. How reasonable are they? It's not like I can control who and when someone shows up at my door. I do not let them in the house during daycare but they would still technically "be on my property". Perhaps I'm being overly paranoid..I've never had any issues with my license or anything and I would like to keep it that way. This is the first time I have maxed out my capacity so I'm a little worried and not sure what to expect if the situation arises. Especially because with school agers they are in and out so much. Hope this makes sense.
I guess I should also say that I do not let them play on my property either. They are just literally picking up my kids and leaving back to their houses because they know I run daycare.Comment
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Different states have different regs.
In Utah, a provider's own children can have friends over and they do not count in the ratios as long as the following can happen....
....if licensing shows up and the provider says "these are not my daycare kids, they are my own kids friends"....the provider must be able to immediately sent those kids right out the door and tell them to go home. If the provider is not able to do that, the children must be included in ratios.Comment
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If your children are 11 yrs old or older they do not count in your ratios. If their friends are over 11, they do not count either so they could all be there and licensing would not care. (Liability and insurance might be different but licensing laws say they don't count after age 11)
If they are under age 11, they WOULD count in your ratios if they are not with an adult. If they want to play with your kids, I'd have them call and ask verses just coming over.
You should also make sure to tell your children's friend's parents that they need to call and not just pop in....explain that it's a business and you have certain rules to follow when open and operating.
MN is definitely cracking down on citing providers for being over ratios so its not something you want to risk it.Comment
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Thank you that was what I was afraid of. Ugh. Guess I will be making some phone calls.Comment
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It just seems weird how they can demand that when I can't control who shows up at my door step.Comment
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If they are under age 11, they should have an adult present. If they do, the license holder can't get in trouble for being over ratios. If they are alone and knocking on the door, yes....it seems silly to cite a provider for that but according to DHS, way too many providers have used the "Oh, they just stopped by to see if my kids were here" line when caught operating over ratios.
DHS's response to this is that as business owners we need to make sure our children's friends' families understand this.
Once in a blue moon, every once in a while....probably not a big deal. But if the friends are spotted too many times on the providers property, DHS will choose to feel they are daycare kids.
****s, but too many dishonest providers out there that have ruined it for the rest of us.
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An adult present to knock on the door to see if her kids can play?
Walking away from the helicopter practice. Lol.
Don't mean disrespect to anyone. But just find it ridiculous that a provider has to even worry about someone knocking on her door. I mean, really? What's next, no FedEx deliveries between 11&2? Like a restaurant?
Sometimes some regs make me crazy. But I'm in a mood tonight. Lol. So ignore me.
If they are under age 11, they should have an adult present. If they do, the license holder can't get in trouble for being over ratios. If they are alone and knocking on the door, yes....it seems silly to cite a provider for that but according to DHS, way too many providers have used the "Oh, they just stopped by to see if my kids were here" line when caught operating over ratios.
DHS's response to this is that as business owners we need to make sure our children's friends' families understand this.
Once in a blue moon, every once in a while....probably not a big deal. But if the friends are spotted too many times on the providers property, DHS will choose to feel they are daycare kids.
****s, but too many dishonest providers out there that have ruined it for the rest of us.Comment
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I hear you!
ALL the regulations make me crazy lately! :confused:
Fed-Ex isn't an issue... unless the driver is young enough to be counted in her ratios
People knocking on her door is perfectly fine but any child considered young enough to need supervision or not be alone IS an issue for ratios.
If it's pretty obvious they just came over to knock on the door it really isn't a big deal...
It's stopping a minute to play in the sandbox or staying in the yard or on property just a bit too long that could bite her.
We all know how many licensors give providers the benefit of the doubt.
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