Am I Expecting Too Much? Long

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As far having them sit for 10-15 minutes while you clean up, they won't break. Place the brothers as apart as humanly possible, let them do xyz activity and if they throw all the pieces down, then they'll learn not to do that in the future.

Even mom has said they don't learn from experience. And it's so true, especially with the 2 yo but even with the 3.5 yo. I can't tell you how many times the 2 yo has sat without toys because he's tossed them all. And despite having the exact same bathroom routine since he's been "potty trained" the 3.5 yo still has no idea what to do in the bathroom

They do have some redeeming qualities which is why I haven't termed but they are TOUGH.