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  • Michael
    Founder & Owner-Daycare.com
    • Aug 2007
    • 7948

    #76
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    Bankruptcy may have been a "smart" decision on his part. I totally agree though, that it shows a moral and leadership lack. It is not what should be modeled by a possible president.

    I think I want President Other
    I don't know what level of businesses you may have had experience in but I can tell you many successful people have failed miserably on their way to success. The fact that they persist and do get to their goal should be celebrated.

    I guess I am biased since I've lost several businesses and had to let people go for simple reasons that can't always be controlled. I don't think I was the bad guy but I can see how people may not have liked the end result. Its not always easy and is much harder to succeed with your own business.
    Last edited by Michael; 04-22-2016, 09:52 PM.

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    • Josiegirl
      Daycare.com Member
      • Jun 2013
      • 10834

      #77
      While Trump may have a good business head what can he do for security which is a huge issue these days? Also, will he devote energy and support to the 'little' people or go all out for big biz? A lot that I have read about him is about what HE wanted. Games he played to get HIS way. I'm not knocking him as a candidate, it just leaves me with questions as to who he'd be helping.
      I am the first to admit I know very little about this campaign. But I want someone who will fight for the common person, someone to look out for veterans, someone who believes all are created equal(gays, transgendered, all races and economically rich and challenged, all religions), immigrants as long as they follow the law of where they live. I certainly don't feel the answer to illegal alien control is build a huge wall and have them finance it. People are people and we all should follow the law of our land.

      Thank you for posting all those things about Clinton, it certainly opened my eyes as to the possibility of her handling the job(if Sanders loses out). I agree that politics becomes an ugly dirty business; maybe if it were easier to impeach a president, it would be easier to vote for the lesser of evils KWIM? And they really need to change the voting system. It should be 1 person, 1 vote. No matter what!

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      • Pepperth
        Daycare.com Member
        • Aug 2014
        • 682

        #78
        Originally posted by Michael
        I don't know what level of businesses you may have had experience in but I can tell you many successful people have failed miserably on their way to success. The fact that they persist and do get to their goal should be celebrated.

        I guess I am biased since I've lost several businesses and had to let people go for simple reasons that can't always be controlled. I don't think I was the bad guy but I can see how people may not have liked the end result. Its not always easy and is much harder to succeed with your own business.
        I'm definitely not a Trump supporter. Heck, I don't even know who I will vote for yet. I don't particularly like any of them, but what you said here reminded me of a famous list of failures I saw about Lincoln. (Again, not comparing Trump to Lincoln at all.)

        A common list of the failures of Abraham Lincoln (along with a few successes) is:

        1831 - Lost his job
        1832 - Defeated in run for Illinois State Legislature
        1833 - Failed in business
        1834 - Elected to Illinois State Legislature (success)
        1835 - Sweetheart died
        1836 - Had nervous breakdown
        1838 - Defeated in run for Illinois House Speaker
        1843 - Defeated in run for nomination for U.S. Congress
        1846 - Elected to Congress (success)
        1848 - Lost re-nomination
        1849 - Rejected for land officer position
        1854 - Defeated in run for U.S. Senate
        1856 - Defeated in run for nomination for Vice President
        1858 - Again defeated in run for U.S. Senate
        1860 - Elected President (success)

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        • NoMoreJuice!
          Daycare.com Member
          • Jan 2014
          • 715

          #79
          Originally posted by Michael
          I don't know what level of businesses you may have had experience in but I can tell you many successful people have failed miserably on their way to success. The fact that they persist and do get to their goal should be celebrated.

          I guess I am biased since I've lost several businesses and had to let people go for simple reasons that can't always be controlled. I don't think I was the bad guy but I can see how people may not have liked the end result. Its not always easy and is much harder to succeed with your own business.

          I do appreciate your perspective. And I am willing to concede that Trump wasn't entirely to blame for his bankruptcies; there was a board, a huge room full of decision makers, and an unpredictable economy to deal with. However, in each company's situation, the spending was outrageous and the income wasn't anywhere near enough to keep up with the extravagance.

          Entrepreneurs are risk takers. My husband and I have two successful businesses between us, and it was a big risk to start each of them. I just don't want a risk taker in the White House, because the stakes are higher than just bankruptcy. Look how GWB took risks with human lives for the sake of oil. When a president values profit over human life, they have totally lost my respect and my vote. Bernie values human life so much that he won't plunge us into another unnecessary war, he'll make sure everyone has access to affordable health insurance, and that poor kids have a chance to be educated so that they may not choose a life of crime and prison.

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          • Laurel
            Daycare.com Member
            • Mar 2013
            • 3218

            #80
            Originally posted by Josiegirl
            While Trump may have a good business head what can he do for security which is a huge issue these days? Also, will he devote energy and support to the 'little' people or go all out for big biz? A lot that I have read about him is about what HE wanted. Games he played to get HIS way. I'm not knocking him as a candidate, it just leaves me with questions as to who he'd be helping.
            I am the first to admit I know very little about this campaign. But I want someone who will fight for the common person, someone to look out for veterans, someone who believes all are created equal(gays, transgendered, all races and economically rich and challenged, all religions), immigrants as long as they follow the law of where they live. I certainly don't feel the answer to illegal alien control is build a huge wall and have them finance it. People are people and we all should follow the law of our land.

            Thank you for posting all those things about Clinton, it certainly opened my eyes as to the possibility of her handling the job(if Sanders loses out). I agree that politics becomes an ugly dirty business; maybe if it were easier to impeach a president, it would be easier to vote for the lesser of evils KWIM? And they really need to change the voting system. It should be 1 person, 1 vote. No matter what!
            I'm not a psychologist but when I read about narcissistic personality disorder, I wonder if he has it.

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            • mommyneedsadayoff
              Daycare.com Member
              • Jan 2015
              • 1754

              #81
              I will follow Brewster's lead and vote "None of the above!"

              Clinton-don't trust her or even like her.

              Sanders-I believe his intentions are good, but I want less government, not more.

              Trump-too much ego and unpredictability and I have a feeling he is going to change his tune during the general election to appeal to more voters, which will p!ss off his base.

              Kasich-he isn't too bad, but I don't see him becoming preZ (not sure it's even possible at this point)

              Cruz-gives me the creeps...way too fake imo.

              I liked rand paul, but since he is out, I am gonna wait and see if anyone runs independent and last resort will be writing in Brewster's famous line.

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              • Michael
                Founder & Owner-Daycare.com
                • Aug 2007
                • 7948

                #82
                Originally posted by Laurel
                I'm not a psychologist but when I read about narcissistic personality disorder, I wonder if he has it.

                http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-c...s/con-20025568
                Ok, it looks like I will be the one stumping for Trump.

                I know narcissistic people. There are two types. Those that selfishly look out only for themselves and those who feel they can change the world and everyone else will appreciate them for doing it.

                I prefer Trump to be narcissistic in DC. Enough of the politicians doing for themselves while Americans suffer. He needs to go in and clean house. I actually think Sanders would do the same thing, albeit in a different manner.

                One thing I've noticed about Trump; his brand is important to him. At the very least he will narcissisticly protect the Donald J Trump brand which is separate from the Trump brand. He is putting his name on the line. I like that.

                Anyone else want to stump for a candidate? Maybe we could have our own type of Daycare.com caucus here.

                I think our poll is very interesting and not what the rest of the country would expect.

                BTW, I like something in all the candidates and won't have a problem if any of them win. Americans will always find a way forward.
                Last edited by Michael; 04-23-2016, 02:47 PM.

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                • Josiegirl
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Jun 2013
                  • 10834

                  #83
                  I am very surprised so far by the numbers. I know there have only been 75 voters at this point but I truly expected Hillary to be way out in the lead the whole way.
                  One of the problems with campaigning is many candidates say what they think you want to hear then do a 180 as soon as they're elected. And many times a candidate can be a very smooth talker, easy to believe in and fall for. I simply wish for honesty and real ideas that can help heal this country and keep it from spiraling on downward. Whoever gets in there is going to have to do a he!!uva job.

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                  • Former Teacher
                    Advanced Daycare.com Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 1331

                    #84
                    I, too, will be voting for Trump.

                    I actually didn't become a registered voter until 2011 (voted in my first presidential election in 2012) and I am over 40 years old happyface

                    All my life before then I would have been an Independent. The more I get older the more I realize I am more Republican than Democrat. The only thing I am for which my party seems to be against is gay marriage rights, which I am 1000% for. However in 2009 I would have voted for Pres. Obama in a heartbeat. He was young, on fire and gave me hope for the future.

                    However that quickly changed. I cannot wait until my country is restored. I cannot wait until I can be proud once again. Yes, I am angry. The President and FLOTUS embarrass me.

                    Donald Trump is also angry like me. He just is saying the things that other candidates are probably thinking but isn't saying out loud. I want a president who will mean what they say.

                    That being said, the ONLY thing that doesn't sit well with me is the fact that I don't like the public name calling etc. I wish he would act more mature (?). I wish there was a Trump vision but with a Cruz demeanor ::

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                    • Laurel
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 3218

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Michael
                      Ok, it looks like I will be the one stumping for Trump.

                      I know narcissistic people. There are two types. Those that selfishly look out only for themselves and those who feel they can change the world and everyone else will appreciate them for doing it.

                      I prefer Trump to be narcissistic in DC. Enough of the politicians doing for themselves while Americans suffer. He needs to go in and clean house. I actually think Sanders would do the same thing, albeit in a different manner.

                      One thing I've noticed about Trump; his brand is important to him. At the very least he will narcissisticly protect the Donald J Trump brand which is separate from the Trump brand. He is putting his name on the line. I like that.

                      Anyone else want to stump for a candidate? Maybe we could have our own type of Daycare.com caucus here.

                      I think our poll is very interesting and not what the rest of the country would expect.

                      BTW, I like something in all the candidates and won't have a problem if any of them win. Americans will always find a way forward.
                      My daughter knew a narcissistic guy (which is why I looked things up about narcissists) and he was bad news. She met him online but also went to visit him in person. He was completely what we used to call 'two-faced'. It was like he was two different people. Nice to her face but brutal behind her back. Really, really nice to her face. It scared me how he could trick someone who is as smart as she is. I guess there are some nice narcissists and some not so nice ones. I don't know. It just scared me but luckily she found out before she invested more time with him.

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                      • Michael
                        Founder & Owner-Daycare.com
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 7948

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Laurel
                        My daughter knew a narcissistic guy (which is why I looked things up about narcissists) and he was bad news. She met him online but also went to visit him in person. He was completely what we used to call 'two-faced'. It was like he was two different people. Nice to her face but brutal behind her back. Really, really nice to her face. It scared me how he could trick someone who is as smart as she is. I guess there are some nice narcissists and some not so nice ones. I don't know. It just scared me but luckily she found out before she invested more time with him.
                        I don't want to be the only one drumming a beat for a candidate but I would like to keep the conversation going for those that have something to say.

                        I look at Trump's family and see a parent that has obviously done well empowering his children. They respect their father and truly believe in him. What more could you ask from your kids.

                        I was on a long flight to Argentina and his daughter Ivanka was flying on the same plane as me. We got off in Panama City, Panama to switch flights there. She is pretty and a couple guys were coming up and talking to her. She was so polite and took the time to talk with each of them. No uppity attitude at all. I was very impressed by her. That has to be taught by the parents. I look more at what a person produces over time than what someone does in an instance.

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                        • Josiegirl
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 10834

                          #87
                          This will probably be a stupid question but has Trump ever been politically active? It seems like most candidates are very active before campaigning and I was just curious.

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                          • Michael
                            Founder & Owner-Daycare.com
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 7948

                            #88
                            Originally posted by Josiegirl
                            This will probably be a stupid question but has Trump ever been politically active? It seems like most candidates are very active before campaigning and I was just curious.
                            No matter what Trump says he has always been in politics. He has bought influence in the process. This county's Founding Fathers allowed for lobbying and I'm sure he has used his money and influence to get things done. I don't blame him because it is the process in place. I think that needs to change.

                            Two articles which either party should be able to relate to:


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                            • Laurel
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 3218

                              #89
                              Originally posted by Michael
                              I don't want to be the only one drumming a beat for a candidate but I would like to keep the conversation going for those that have something to say.

                              I look at Trump's family and see a parent that has obviously done well empowering his children. They respect their father and truly believe in him. What more could you ask from your kids.

                              I was on a long flight to Argentina and his daughter Ivanka was flying on the same plane as me. We got off in Panama City, Panama to switch flights there. She is pretty and a couple guys were coming up and talking to her. She was so polite and took the time to talk with each of them. No uppity attitude at all. I was very impressed by her. That has to be taught by the parents. I look more at what a person produces over time than what someone does in an instance.
                              I think you and NoMoreJuice are doing just fine! I belonged to a political forum back when Bush and Kerry were running and kept up with it all. I was debating politics for 3 years or so. I was a news hound and watched all the political talk shows.

                              My steam kind of ran out on all that but I am enjoying reading the back and forth between you and NoMoreJuice (and everyone really).

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                              • NoMoreJuice!
                                Daycare.com Member
                                • Jan 2014
                                • 715

                                #90
                                I'm really having fun debating this election with intelligent people who have done their research! I don't really want to stereotype, but all the Trump supporters in western Kansas are only interested in voting for him for some pretty hateful reasons.

                                Since lobbying was mentioned, and Trump's prior involvement with it, what do you all think about that issue? If I were a single issue voter, that would be the one this election cycle. I think it's so wrong that billionaires are allowed to buy senators and representatives votes. I'm also a YUGE fan of some major campaign finance reform. How ridiculous is it that some people can afford to swing elections in their favor simply by donating insane amounts of money? I strongly believe One person=One vote. Even those of you who aren't voting for Bernie have to admire what we created because of his leadership. The average donation was $27, which means the middle class alone financed his campaign with their pocket money.

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