Another FCCERS Question

[daycare]

so in my art area I have a shelf on the wall that is about 5-6ft high above another shelf that sits on the floor with kid friendly materials. It's a lot safer than I made it sound.

On the very top shelves, I have art supplies that only I can use. Like shaving cream for when we do science stuff, spray glue for when I need to seal a project or etc. I was not asked about any of this stuff at all. They just dinged me points for having it.

It says unsafe materials, choking hazards (listed the spray glue, glue gun, and shaving cream and a few others) in the children's art area...Yes, they are in the art area, but the kids do not have access to them, they are in boxes with lids 5-6ft off the ground on a shelf.

the art supplies that the kids to have access to are 100% child friendly and 100% safe.

So I guess I need to move these. I really don't have any other space to put these things. I have them there so that I am prepared.

funny thing is that in our science area, we have pics of us on the wall doing these...https://www.pinterest.com/pin/AT6H4a...Ir829u27jLAAI/

and the same ladies that scored me thought that they were awesome.


suggestions???? I am really starting to hate this stuff...

[Crystal]

The shaving cream and spray glue are not non-toxic. The children do not have to have access to them for you to be marked down for them, it just has to be evident that they have used them at some point. So having the photos of the shaving cream activity up showed that the children have used it. Glitter and confetti type stuff are also considered unsafe , and if you have it in the environment (not sure if you do), even if the kids don't have access to it, it is likely assumed that they have used it at some point.

As far as the glue gun, I'm not sure about why they would mark you down for that.....they should have asked you during the interview after the observation if you ever allow the children to use it prior to marking you down for it, but the shaving cream alone would have gotten you marked down.

[daycare]

The shaving cream and spray glue are not non-toxic. The children do not have to have access to them for you to be marked down for them, it just has to be evident that they have used them at some point. So having the photos of the shaving cream activity up showed that the children have used it. Glitter and confetti type stuff are also considered unsafe , and if you have it in the environment (not sure if you do), even if the kids don't have access to it, it is likely assumed that they have used it at some point.

As far as the glue gun, I'm not sure about why they would mark you down for that.....they should have asked you during the interview after the observation if you ever allow the children to use it prior to marking you down for it, but the shaving cream alone would have gotten you marked down.

well I guess another place I am going to take the ding...

I don't let the little ones that I know still mouth things participate in the shaving cream activity, which btw they don't even touch it.

but I guess this old dog is willing to change her ways...

thank you crystal for your feedback. I do understand how they just have to assume that i give it to them since it is there.

[Josiegirl]

We've done those rain clouds, aren't those cool!!! So she saw that you had used the shaving cream and never said anything about it being harmful but dinged you for having in your art space yet out of reach?? WTH?
Sometimes I wonder if they know what they're supposed to be doing.
I know I have to go through my whole arts and crafts supply shelves and rearrange everything.

[Laurel]

so in my art area I have a shelf on the wall that is about 5-6ft high above another shelf that sits on the floor with kid friendly materials. It's a lot safer than I made it sound.

On the very top shelves, I have art supplies that only I can use. Like shaving cream for when we do science stuff, spray glue for when I need to seal a project or etc. I was not asked about any of this stuff at all. They just dinged me points for having it.

It says unsafe materials, choking hazards (listed the spray glue, glue gun, and shaving cream and a few others) in the children's art area...Yes, they are in the art area, but the kids do not have access to them, they are in boxes with lids 5-6ft off the ground on a shelf.

the art supplies that the kids to have access to are 100% child friendly and 100% safe.

So I guess I need to move these. I really don't have any other space to put these things. I have them there so that I am prepared.

funny thing is that in our science area, we have pics of us on the wall doing these...https://www.pinterest.com/pin/AT6H4a...Ir829u27jLAAI/

and the same ladies that scored me thought that they were awesome.


suggestions???? I am really starting to hate this stuff...

It never ceases to amaze me what some of these inspectors can come up with.

Maybe somehow enclose the shelf? Or put your things in a rolling cart that you can keep somewhere else like a locked closet.

Are you allowed to comment on the inspection report? We weren't. If so, I'd just put. Said shelf is a teacher's only shelf six feet off the ground. Supplies are secured in boxes with lids.

[Crystal]

It really isn't the fault of the assessor. It's the FCCERS tool, they were just following it. The photos showed that the children have used the shaving cream which is considered toxic, so they had to mark her down for it. ****s, but it is what it is.

[Blackcat31]

Our assessor stresses that just because we may "think" something is out of reach to a child doesn't mean it is unless it is actually behind a locked door.

Something 5-6 ft off the ground would be accessible to many kids. Easier for some compared to others but not completely.

[daycare]

Our assessor stresses that just because we may "think" something is out of reach to a child doesn't mean it is unless it is actually behind a locked door.

Something 5-6 ft off the ground would be accessible to many kids. Easier for some compared to others but not completely.

i know what you guys mean. the rule of thumb is if its possible in some way shape or form, then we need to make it impossible....

BUT in my defense, unless they went into my garage and got my small step ladder out, there is no way in the world anyone could get up there. and my garage door is locked during business hours.

[Annalee]

i know what you guys mean. the rule of thumb is if its possible in some way shape or form, then we need to make it impossible....

BUT in my defense, unless they went into my garage and got my small step ladder out, there is no way in the world anyone could get up there. and my garage door is locked during business hours.

I had some spray glue in a cabinet once where I had made a felt board.....they marked me because the cabinet wasn't locked:confused:Also, shaving cream is a NO-NO...PERIOD...here... they cut that out a few years ago for us...My kids loved playing with shaving cream but no more.:confused: Even though I score well, there are horror stories I could tell, but ????::

[spedmommy4]

well I guess another place I am going to take the ding...

I don't let the little ones that I know still mouth things participate in the shaving cream activity, which btw they don't even touch it.

but I guess this old dog is willing to change her ways...

thank you crystal for your feedback. I do understand how they just have to assume that i give it to them since it is there.

I use shaving cream with the kids and I'm NOT giving it up. ECERS says it's okay for centers but NOT for FCC. That's balogne.

This article lists all my other issues with them "banning" it

http://msooey.tumblr.com/post/17615507730/the-infamous-shaving-cream-article

Of course, I keep my shaving cream locked in the shed and we don't use it on observation days. I am not giving it up but I have also come to the conclusion that there is just no reasoning with them.

[daycare]

I use shaving cream with the kids and I'm NOT giving it up. ECERS says it's okay for centers but NOT for FCC. That's balogne.

This article lists all my other issues with them "banning" it

http://msooey.tumblr.com/post/17615507730/the-infamous-shaving-cream-article

Of course, I keep my shaving cream locked in the shed and we don't use it on observation days. I am not giving it up but I have also come to the conclusion that there is just no reasoning with them.

omg, did you write this article? I love this article.

i wish I could find that information from colgate, as it is what I have.

[Annalee]

Our assessor stresses that just because we may "think" something is out of reach to a child doesn't mean it is unless it is actually behind a locked door.

Something 5-6 ft off the ground would be accessible to many kids. Easier for some compared to others but not completely.

Our's say that, too....sunscreen, diaper ointment, etc all have to be locked up just like medicine because assessor's consider all things accessible no matter how high the shelf is:confused:

[spedmommy4]

omg, did you write this article? I love this article.

i wish I could find that information from colgate, as it is what I have.

Lol. No, I just like it.

[Josiegirl]

Our's say that, too....sunscreen, diaper ointment, etc all have to be locked up just like medicine because assessor's consider all things accessible no matter how high the shelf is:confused:

Oh boy:confused:
All this extra time to get everything out when it's needed. Maybe we should all just stop using them?
And really? No shaving cream? We don't use it often but sometimes and the kids love it!

[DaveA]

I think I just gave myself an aneurism rolling my eyes too hard. This is why I despise any type of rating/ accreditation program. Great article though. Good luck