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This may be beside the point...but I want to know, how in the HELL is she managing EIGHT toddlers and preschoolers who have no outside time and no playtime except that rug thing she does?
I'm willing to bet that her discipline practices aren't in line with licensing either.
I hope they pay her a nice, big ole unannounced visit real soon.Comment
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^ almost word for word what my dh said.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING! :confused: My 6 are a handful when we get lots of outside time. I can't see ANY of them handling being confined to a small area for more than a few minutes without tears.Comment
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And for the record
I think sometimes pandora a lid needs cracked to keep the world in check.
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My license allows me 12 (10 under SA, only 2 under 2yrs old) and I actually find the days that I'm full to be so much easier than the days I only have 6.
I live in a cold climate too, so there are many days during the winter months that we're indoors, we're still active & happy.
I'm not by any means excusing bad care or not following regs, I'm just saying 12 is more than doable...and it's only me here.Comment
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I am not sure how any provider could survive without outside time. It seems to make such a difference for the kids when they can run and get fresh air. I can't imagine staying cooped up with that many kids. Heck I don't like being cooped up with DH, I need to get outside too!Comment
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I was thinking the same thing
I have 8 plus my 4 and 5.5 year old (who don't count in my ratio) so 10 total and we try to spend time outside but in the winter sometimes the air gets bad here (high pollution) so we dance, play parachute, etc and they do fine. I actually do blanket centers for about 45 min a day while I make lunch (not excusing the provider in question but saying occasional blanket play has its place).
I do wish more parents knew about licensing rules. I know I didn't know ANYTHING when my dd was in a center way back whenComment
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I am SURE there are providers who can manage larger groups- just stating that she is out of ratio per our state regs. I would prefer 8 during the day I find the days I have my own younger sa kids here much smoother- but I am licensed for 6 under 5/not enrolled in K. The max for our state unless you are group and have an assistant. They even stipulate that should groups be divided, the ratios must be maintained.I was thinking the same thing I have 8 plus my 4 and 5.5 year old (who don't count in my ratio) so 10 total and we try to spend time outside but in the winter sometimes the air gets bad here (high pollution) so we dance, play parachute, etc and they do fine. I actually do blanket centers for about 45 min a day while I make lunch (not excusing the provider in question but saying occasional blanket play has its place).
I do wish more parents knew about licensing rules. I know I didn't know ANYTHING when my dd was in a center way back whenComment
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I am so glad you did this! Honestly someone has too!! I just got a child who was kicked out of his current program because the provider had too many children (I saw this provider and she seemed to have at least 9 kids in her care which is illegal). There are so many providers not following regulations.I gave dcm a copy of the state regulations so that she could review them herself. She is sending me emails dating back 2 years (!) with admitted blatant violations. She posted on her mommy group on facebook that she had to pull kiddo from care immediately due to X, y, z and gave the link to all of the moms on there to the state regulations. She didn't name names, but her friends know where the kiddo attends. Two of the members of the group also have kids that attend there. One is doing a random stop at her lunch today.
She has been emailing me screenshots from other moms saying "Hey, my licensed provider does that, too!" "Wow I am seeing a lot of violations from my licensed provider." "My provider isn't licensed but said she is legal, she has 4 kids, that's not legal!"
I opened Pandora's box.
Every provider in my area might hate me soon.Comment
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Yeah...I agree that 12 kids is manageable for most people. I've had 10 under 4 alone and been perfectly fine.
The no outside, no playing together, no singing, no dancing, no fun holidays... Basically sit and play Toys quietly all day...toddlers don't DO that. Unless they are forced in some way.. Which is why I wonder about her discipline methods.
I know you ladies can handle it!
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Daycarediva, I'd be interested to know how the stop in at lunch time went for that one dcm. I think that's a big sign of the quality of a daycare, how the general atmosphere is when you pop in. I mean, there's always the normal and expected things, kids crying or bickering, a dcp trying to do a million things at once, etc., etc. But head counts(as long as regs. are followed), kids strapped in that shouldn't be, what they're fed for lunch, all those things you hear about.....You guys all know what I mean(I hope).
Wasn't there a parent here before that posted they dropped off something for their baby at dc, and found some things amiss? I feel parents have the right and should do that. Yes, it's inconvenient for us and can wreck the routine of things but looking from their side, it's a smart thing to do.Comment
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