Have You Guy Seen This? Sunburn At Daycare - Just Horrible

[grateday]

Poor kids

What was the time of day? UV index? How long were they outside? Why were supplies not checked. If there was not enough sunblock, then they just needed to not go at all. Put the sunblock on prior to leaving, make sure enough for re-apply. Not enough staff don't go.

Those kinds of trips are dangerous anyway because of water borne illness (chlorine does not kill cryptosporidium), then you add the skin protection element to it (and every part of planning and preparation that goes with that), everyone with special needs (and all there stuff they require), and enough supervision for everyone.

If the kids were not listening, and the whole place was at the park, and they are out of sunblock, they need to just pack up and turn around and head back What the hell where they thinking

[mstonnie]

I just went back a read another article on this matter. It says that the boys were told to put their shirts BACK ON when they DCC ran out of sun block so I don't see any way that they already had this sunburn before the outing with the center as some people are implying. IMO the center is completely to blame. They were the ones in charge of the boys. Make them put shirts back on or make them sit in the shade and not play till time to leave. I couldn't imagine having a child out in the sun so long that they get burned like that.

[Heidi]

I understand what you are saying and agree. However, how do we know that the Mom did not address it with the provider and the provider assured her that was not the case and Mom gave the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps Mom brought it up in the media interview because in hindsight she may now believe that the provider was not being truthful based on this latest expereince. The Mom is clearly emotional with what has happened, and I imagine she is beating herself up over all of this. No need to pass the "bad mom" judgement on her.

I have a two year old here who's mother comes about a half hour after a full afternoon snack (protein, veggie, fruit, grain, and milk). He will often beg for water the minute she comes in the door.

She's my friend and believes me when I tell her that he literally just had a glass (or two) of milk.

A lot of kids will claim to be starving, thirsty, or otherwise suggest or say they didn't get ANYTHING to eat or drink ALL DAY. We all have those kids sometimes...whatever you put in front of them is not good enough and they claim they didn't get anything.

Besides, these aren't little kids. If they were thirsty, I am sure they could have gotten water out of the bathroom faucet. They're school agers; they'll find a way.

Horrible story, though. I read through the violations on the state's website and it does seem to show a pattern of being in it to make money at with minimal effort and no real regard for the children or families.

[Play Care]

I just went back a read another article on this matter. It says that the boys were told to put their shirts BACK ON when they DCC ran out of sun block so I don't see any way that they already had this sunburn before the outing with the center as some people are implying. IMO the center is completely to blame. They were the ones in charge of the boys. Make them put shirts back on or make them sit in the shade and not play till time to leave. I couldn't imagine having a child out in the sun so long that they get burned like that.

I think moms credibility was called into play because she brought up several serious allegations about the DC but seemed iffy about pulling. As my attorney friend said when we talked about this, "if she has a lawyer now, you can bet they're telling her to ZIP IT!"

That said, most here have said if this happened at DC the it was 100% the dcs fault - no excuses. There is no reason they should have been at a splash pad all day, with a heat index of 118.

[BabyMonkeys]

I find it odd that none of the other kids were sunburned. If the other kids supposedly listened and didn't take their clothes off, they still would have been burned on arms, neck, face, etc.

I wonder if the other children and teachers had darker skin. I am super fair and burn extremely easy. My husband is Puerto Rican and can be in the sun for hours without getting burned. My son is super fair like I am, my daughter is darker like her father. My husband took them out one day and forgot to put sunscreen on their arms. My daughter came back with a tan, my son came home with a horrible sunburn. - DH never made that mistake again btw

[BumbleBee]

I just went back a read another article on this matter. It says that the boys were told to put their shirts BACK ON when they DCC ran out of sun block so I don't see any way that they already had this sunburn before the outing with the center as some people are implying. IMO the center is completely to blame. They were the ones in charge of the boys. Make them put shirts back on or make them sit in the shade and not play till time to leave. I couldn't imagine having a child out in the sun so long that they get burned like that.

I was one who suggested they may have been burned before the outing. I was basing that suggestion on the first article that was posted. After reading more articles, I agree that the daycare was horribly negligent. Run out of sunblock? Leave the park. Boys won't put shirts back on? They no longer get to play and have to sit in the shade (not ideal but better than being in the sun) until they put their shirts back on. Still though, if you run out of sunblock that, to me, is a no brainer that you go back to the center. Plus the heat factor in all of this is scary that a daycare would take kids out in that kind of heat. I live in the Midwest though so it hits 95 and we stay in.

I also wonder if mom will go after the multiple hospitals (2 I think) that gave the boys pain meds and cream and sent them home. Third hospital had them air lifted to Shriner's where doctors said these could be life threatening injuries.

[Thriftylady]

I was one who suggested they may have been burned before the outing. I was basing that suggestion on the first article that was posted. After reading more articles, I agree that the daycare was horribly negligent. Run out of sunblock? Leave the park. Boys won't put shirts back on? They no longer get to play and have to sit in the shade (not ideal but better than being in the sun) until they put their shirts back on. Still though, if you run out of sunblock that, to me, is a no brainer that you go back to the center. Plus the heat factor in all of this is scary that a daycare would take kids out in that kind of heat. I live in the Midwest though so it hits 95 and we stay in.

I also wonder if mom will go after the multiple hospitals (2 I think) that gave the boys pain meds and cream and sent them home. Third hospital had them air lifted to Shriner's where doctors said these could be life threatening injuries.

I guess I missed the three hospitals part. That does make me wonder. I hate to say I question parents, but so many people are sue happy these days and will throw anyone under the bus. I don't have much faith in people anymore. SOMEONE horribly mistreated these kids and that person needs to pay in more ways than money.

[BumbleBee]

I guess I missed the three hospitals part. That does make me wonder. I hate to say I question parents, but so many people are sue happy these days and will throw anyone under the bus. I don't have much faith in people anymore. SOMEONE horribly mistreated these kids and that person needs to pay in more ways than money.

My mistake, I went back and re-read the article. From what I understand mom called the hospital on Friday and the hospital said they couldn't do much until the blistering started and was told to go get burn cream & pain meds from the pharmacy. Saturday mom took them to a local hospital where the blisters were lanced and they were sent home with more cream and pain meds. Sunday they went to a medical center for a 3rd opinion and were flown to Shriner's Children's Hospital.

I completely agree these kids were horribly treated by the people who were charged with their care.

[NeedaVaca]

Well, if the daycare was not at fault I sure feel bad for them after all the things being said about them, it's all I've see on my facebook pages. Mom raised a lot of money too

http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/vinita-police-chief-says-video-shows-sunburned-boys-only-outside-for-2-hours-while-at-day-care

and this update:

http://www.ktul.com/story/29654064/vinita-police-issue-search-warrant-for-sunburned-boys-relatives-home

[Baby Beluga]

Well, if the daycare was not at fault I sure feel bad for them after all the things being said about them, it's all I've see on my facebook pages. Mom raised a lot of money too

http://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/vinita-police-chief-says-video-shows-sunburned-boys-only-outside-for-2-hours-while-at-day-care

and this update:

http://www.ktul.com/story/29654064/v...relatives-home

Well, things just got a little more interesting:

"Floyd says the day care took the children to the splash pad three times last week -- Monday, Wednesday and Friday -- and stayed about two hours each time.

Floyd says the timeline makes him doubt the sunburns were caused by Friday's trip, adding that the outside temperature only exceeded 90 degrees at 11:30 a.m.

Floyd says parents signed releases and were urged to bring sunscreen, but he says the day care said parents didn't provide any so they didn't apply it to any of the children."

Taken from the first link.

I do want to say that I still do not agree with the DC not applying sunscreen to the children. Whether the parents supplied it or not. DC should have refused care or at least made the boys sit in the shade (with their shirts on) until they had proper supplies for the boys.

I am super sensitive to the sun. I will reapply sunscreen every hour and will still get burned. 1) because I am naturally sensitive to the sun and 2) I take medication that is known to increase skin sensitivity to the sun. With that being said, my burns are ALWAYS worse the second and third day after my exposure to the sun.

I am interested as to how this story will develop after what the police chief said above.

[CraftyMom]

Well, things just got a little more interesting:

"Floyd says the day care took the children to the splash pad three times last week -- Monday, Wednesday and Friday -- and stayed about two hours each time.

Floyd says the timeline makes him doubt the sunburns were caused by Friday's trip, adding that the outside temperature only exceeded 90 degrees at 11:30 a.m.

Floyd says parents signed releases and were urged to bring sunscreen, but he says the day care said parents didn't provide any so they didn't apply it to any of the children."

Taken from the first link.

I do want to say that I still do not agree with the DC not applying sunscreen to the children. Whether the parents supplied it or not. DC should have refused care or at least made the boys sit in the shade (with their shirts on) until they had proper supplies for the boys.

I am super sensitive to the sun. I will reapply sunscreen every hour and will still get burned. 1) because I am naturally sensitive to the sun and 2) I take medication that is known to increase skin sensitivity to the sun. With that being said, my burns are ALWAYS worse the second and third day after my exposure to the sun.

I am interested as to how this story will develop after what the police chief said above.

This is true, I am fair skinned and the burns are worse that night or the next day. What happens is the heat is still inside your skin, even though you are out of the sun, so your skin continues to "cook". Much like food continues to cook after you take it out of the oven, it's still holding in the heat and still cooking.

The story is getting weird though

[Febby]

I am super sensitive to the sun. I will reapply sunscreen every hour and will still get burned. 1) because I am naturally sensitive to the sun and 2) I take medication that is known to increase skin sensitivity to the sun. With that being said, my burns are ALWAYS worse the second and third day after my exposure to the sun.

I'm the same way. I was out with my class for 1 hour today (two 30 minutes outside periods) and I got sunburned, despite applying sunscreen prior to each outing. None of my children got sunburned.

Floyd says parents signed releases and were urged to bring sunscreen, but he says the day care said parents didn't provide any so they didn't apply it to any of the children.

I'm not sure about Oklahoma, but in Kentucky, sunscreen is considered a medication. My understanding is that, at least here, we are not allowed to provide the sunscreen and that the parents have to provide it. That said, we are supposed to protect the children from injuries, including sunburn. Therefore, I would not take a child outside if I did not have sunscreen for them and I certainly would not be taking them to a splash pad.

If a child comes in with a sunburn, especially a bad one, then that would be documented with a parent signature and photos. Obviously if it were really severe then the child(ren) would be refused care until we had a doctor note. (My center got tired of parents accusing us of letting their children get sunburns)

[Michelle]

My mom said when she was young that they used to put butter on burns!
my mil said when my dh was younger they didn't sell sunblock ( he is 46)
he got burned a lot
I have a little darker skin and my burns turned into a gorgeous tan but still the damage was done
This story sounds really fishy to me. My daughter is in elementary school and I put sunblock on her face neck and arms every morning because it's my job but if her school took her someplace like that they would definitely reapply it
She goes to a really good school.
I think the aunt put something on their skin the day before or the morning of this day and made it worse.
None of my kids/ dck's have every been sunburned
We go to water parks too and I rent a cabana at $180 a day and sunblock them and give them frequent mandatory breaks in the cabana.
this story is so sad

[Thriftylady]

My mom said when she was young that they used to put butter on burns!
my mil said when my dh was younger they didn't sell sunblock ( he is 46)
he got burned a lot
I have a little darker skin and my burns turned into a gorgeous tan but still the damage was done
This story sounds really fishy to me. My daughter is in elementary school and I put sunblock on her face neck and arms every morning because it's my job but if her school took her someplace like that they would definitely reapply it
She goes to a really good school.
I think the aunt put something on their skin the day before or the morning of this day and made it worse.
None of my kids/ dck's have every been sunburned
We go to water parks too and I rent a cabana at $180 a day and sunblock them and give them frequent mandatory breaks in the cabana.
this story is so sad

When I was a kid, my grandmother still believed in putting butter on burns.

[Blackcat31]

When I was a kid, my grandmother still believed in putting butter on burns.

I am 46. They sold sunscreen when I was a child.

My grandmother always put butter on burns too.

In 1965 Jodie Foster made her debut as the Coppertone sun screen girl like this one from the billboards only she starred in a tv commercial. Prior to that Coppertone was very popular in the 50ies onward.