Posting While During the Day

[Unregistered]

Op

The presenter said we should have a separate line for childcare use only. The presenter has said seeing posts from facebook has helped prove things. If the parents say a provider is doing something, the state can say the provider is posting something on facebook while the child is there and it proves they are negligent.

[Josiegirl]

I'm not being sarcastic: seriously, what is wrong with monkeys ?? What!?

Because it could be considered slang and derogatory for African-Americans.

[bklsmum]

I post and surf when I have the time during the day and I think that is perfectly fine.

[e.j.]

The presenter said we should have a separate line for childcare use only. The presenter has said seeing posts from facebook has helped prove things. If the parents say a provider is doing something, the state can say the provider is posting something on facebook while the child is there and it proves they are negligent.

I do read and sometimes reply to posts on this forum during nap time and will continue to do so for all of the reasons stated by everyone else. I can see where the highlighted info above makes sense, though.

[nannyde]

The presenter said we should have a separate line for childcare use only. The presenter has said seeing posts from facebook has helped prove things. If the parents say a provider is doing something, the state can say the provider is posting something on facebook while the child is there and it proves they are negligent.

That is if a child is harmed. Then whatever the caretaker, be it parent, provider, auntie, granny, etc is responsible.

There can't be an assumption that if a provider is on the computer, phone, watching tv, reading a book etc that the children are being neglected. If that were the case then that would go for ANYONE supervising children. Money being exchanged doesn't make an identical action negligent.

If adults supervising kids can't do anything that distracts them from the constant visual, proximal, auditory supervision of the kids because it is neglectful then it has to apply to ANYONE who has ANY child at ANY time.

There isn't a single statistics I know of that correlates child care injuries with cell phone usage. I'm not aware of that statistic with tv, talking on the phone, book reading etc. If there are actual research statistics that show this then why aren't they being taught in child care classes?

Where's the beef? Where is the trainer getting her information?

New York state banned all electronics from providers except for emergencies. They found CENTER workers were on their phones DURING inspections and then punished HOME providers for their actions. They banned center workers too BUT the center owners wanted it. They couldn't KEEP employees unless they allowed the phones. Now they have the state banning them so when they fire the employee they can win the unemployment claim.

They had no right banning them from SELF employed home daycare providers. I promise you no home provider would be playing candy crush during an inspection.

I've always had something else to do while I took care of kids. I would go nuts if I didn't. I watched CNN for years, then Court TV, then the internet came along and now cell phone. I've ran a cookie dough business, sold kids clothes on Ebay, and ran a consulting business while I watched kids.

I have NEVER had a kid injured in my care in my entire career. Not once has a kid gone from my house to a doctor because of something that happened under my care. Never once. I have the original pack of band aids I started with in 93. I have a virtually untouched first aid bag I got when I was a school nurse in the early nineties that I used for my daycare.

I don't need the state telling me what I need to do to supervise kids. I know what I can and can't do to keep them safe.

[Movingforward]

I'm signed out because I think this might get some heat, but I've been wondering this and a training my state required made me think of this. The presenter said we should never be on our phones or surfing the web while children our in our care, even if the parents are early or late. You know, something could happen in a second even during nap. I notice when I post at night, there's there's always a ton of posts from the day time. Do you post on here when you have children in your care? I don't.

I see what you are saying but in our break-less day, I feel like it's ok to use the phone. I use my phone to log children's activities for parents so I use my phone for work and personal use when children are resting. If you don't use the phone during working hours, great! but coming onto this forum helps me decompress during the day

[Play Care]

The presenter said we should have a separate line for childcare use only. The presenter has said seeing posts from facebook has helped prove things. If the parents say a provider is doing something, the state can say the provider is posting something on facebook while the child is there and it proves they are negligent.

The average home provider nets less than $15,000 a year. Having a separate line isn't feasible for a good majority of us. I think its another example of a training where the presenter is completely out of touch with the reality of most in home providers.

And I also in the camp of so what if a provider happened to post on Facebook during the day? Why do they need to "prove" anything if a child wasn't injured while in their care?
I have a DC Facebook page that I do update thoughout the day. To get to it, I have to log on to Facebook. So by the presenters train of logic, I'm facebooking during the day - even though I not really on for personal reasons. Slippery slope.

[Luvnmykidz]

The thought that providers should be held to a complete different standard than parents is growing more ridiculous each day. There are a ton of rules "They" would like to enforce, but it's saddening to me. A local provider mentioned to me her specialist stated in a few years there would be some major changes in regs for us. Some of them are no electronics, social networks, or phone use (except for emergencies ) during daycare hours. We must brush teeth 2 times a day because the rate of children with dental issues has increased. Parents will need to be contacted when a child hasn't shown up for the day, to ensure the child is safe. We already sttay on parents to keep their child's physicals and shot records up to date. Smh. There are a few others as well. My thing is when is anyone going to hold the parents responsible for anything. Kids come in from the weekends with bumps, bruises, diaper rashes, on extreme sugar highs, poor nutrition on the weekends, and sometimes teeth look like they haven't been brushed since Friday. Why must we check on parents when they haven't placed a child in to care for the day. Are parents that bad off that they need an adult to micromanage them as well? If we put the responsibilities back on the parents I'm sure things will change, but as long as we keep taking the responsibilities away and putting them on providers it will continue to worsen. It's contradicting as well. No phone use, but check on kids who haven't shown up. No Internet use, but stay focused on your specialist who comes to do an inspection during the middle of a group activity where it's clear attention shouldn't be diverted. Its just bogus to me, that so much is blamed on providers, and so much is expected of providers. And it's all supposed to be done for less than minimum wage. Wow ! Sorry this is so long. There's so much more I want to say but I will stop now.

[Josiegirl]

The thought that providers should be held to a complete different standard than parents is growing more ridiculous each day. There are a ton of rules "They" would like to enforce, but it's saddening to me. A local provider mentioned to me her specialist stated in a few years there would be some major changes in regs for us. Some of them are no electronics, social networks, or phone use (except for emergencies ) during daycare hours. We must brush teeth 2 times a day because the rate of children with dental issues has increased. Parents will need to be contacted when a child hasn't shown up for the day, to ensure the child is safe. We already sttay on parents to keep their child's physicals and shot records up to date. Smh. There are a few others as well. My thing is when is anyone going to hold the parents responsible for anything. Kids come in from the weekends with bumps, bruises, diaper rashes, on extreme sugar highs, poor nutrition on the weekends, and sometimes teeth look like they haven't been brushed since Friday. Why must we check on parents when they haven't placed a child in to care for the day. Are parents that bad off that they need an adult to micromanage them as well? If we put the responsibilities back on the parents I'm sure things will change, but as long as we keep taking the responsibilities away and putting them on providers it will continue to worsen. It's contradicting as well. No phone use, but check on kids who haven't shown up. No Internet use, but stay focused on your specialist who comes to do an inspection during the middle of a group activity where it's clear attention shouldn't be diverted. Its just bogus to me, that so much is blamed on providers, and so much is expected of providers. And it's all supposed to be done for less than minimum wage. Wow ! Sorry this is so long. There's so much more I want to say but I will stop now.

I soooo agree with you!!! Some of the regs.(and new ones coming) are terribly unrealistic it's not even funny.
And now all the local providers are getting calls encouraging them to offer prek in their daycare homes. "It's just something to think about" we're told. Wonder when it will be required.
Are they even thinking about what's best for the kids themselves anymore? Or just want to earn their money by creating more regulations and rules that are almost impossible to follow?
Oh and I heard our new regs(which are predicted to go into effect fall 2016)will require brushing teeth 3x a day or after every single time they eat anything.
Please, all you state officials, THROW THE BOOK AWAY and just let us care for, teach, love, all these lil kiddos. We already teach them all day long but endless regulations are stressing out the majority of providers and keeping us from doing what's important here.
Family Day Care is equivalent to caring and helping to raise others' children as if they were your own. And I sure as he!! don't remember my mom bleaching the dinner table before we all sat down to eat, or washing the floor every single night, rushing into the bathroom after breakfast, lunch snack, dinner to brush our teeth. If anything it probably hardened up my immune system.

Well dang, ya got me started again.

[Josiegirl]

And as far as injuries, yes I've used bandaids, kids have gotten goose eggs, black and blues, scratches, scrapes, normal day to day playing boo-boos.
On their parents' time?? They've gotten broken bones, sprained ankles, burns, etc.

[Blackcat31]

OP, does your trainer say you can't go to the bathroom during the day too?
talk with parents?
prepare meals/snacks?
change a diaper?
hug/talk with an individual child?
answer the door or phone?
record meals (because that's a requirement for food program participants)
document observations?
turn your back for anything while kids are present?
breath?

I'm sorry but this isn't even a topic worth discussing IMO.

If you (personally, as an individual provider) do not feel that you can multi-task a million and one things at the same time, then this is the wrong line of work for you.

[Unregistered]

OP, does your trainer say you can't go to the bathroom during the day too?
talk with parents?
prepare meals/snacks?
change a diaper?
hug/talk with an individual child?
answer the door or phone?
record meals (because that's a requirement for food program participants)
document observations?
turn your back for anything while kids are present?
breath?

I'm sorry but this isn't even a topic worth discussing IMO.

If you (personally, as an individual provider) do not feel that you can multi-task a million and one things at the same time, then this is the wrong line of work for you.

The presenter did cover these things. About parents, we are to stand facing the children and have a brief conversation and if it goes over a certain time say that we appreciate their concern, but we have other children to monitor and must focus on them. If something else needs to be addressed feel free to call/email/came in person after (whatever time the last child leaves). That was the primary message. Always find a way to be viewing all of the children even if it means rearrange your whole center. Like if your diaper table is where you can't see someone, move it and don't have it in the bathroom. Also, to wash the children's hands after you diaper them. They also said make everyone sit by the bathroom when one has to go, because if the state comes in and sees you helping one in the bathroom they say no one is watching the other children.

[MarinaVanessa]

They also said make everyone sit by the bathroom when one has to go, because if the state comes in and sees you helping one in the bathroom they say no one is watching the other children.

OMGosh, the ridiculous of this all .

"Okay little Suzie, Jimmy and Timmy ... I need you all to sit here by the bathroom so Samantha can go to the bathroom. No no Suzie, sit here. I know you're only 16 months old but remember, licensing said you must sit here and not move until Samantha is done. Timmy I know you want to play with the trucks honey and I know that you're 3 years old and developmentally wise you're still unable to sit still in the same spot unless you're distracted or playing with something but remember, licensing said so. "

I mean, come on. Really? This might work in a center classroom or a family child care home that has two or more caregivers but it's not realistic to think that a mixed age group of kids that range from ages infants to 5 years old will sit still in the same spot while the child takes 5-7 minutes in the bathroom.

Of a presenter told me this in a training I would seriously laugh and I know I wouldn't be the only one either. Then I'd ask her to show me where in the regulations this was. You won't find it there by the way, because it doesn't exist. It's a recommendation of everything wonderful they want us to be but unless they hand us magic wands or our incomes go up by at least double so that we can hire an extra set of hands these "recommendations" are unrealistic and down right impossible if you ask me.

I'd much rather have the children playing and focused on something while I help someone in the bathroom rather than have them bored while I'm occupied. It just seems more likely to be disastrous to force them to sit still with nothing to do which developmentally they aren't prepared to do until they're well into their school age years.

[Josiegirl]

Haha yeh, I can picture all my littles sitting waiting for a dck to go potty, ain't gonna happen.

OP how do YOU feel about all those recommendations and how did it go over in the training you attended?

I will admit I don't use my computer unless they're all laying down during quiet time. But that's as good as it gets for me.

[nannyde]

The presenter did cover these things. About parents, we are to stand facing the children and have a brief conversation and if it goes over a certain time say that we appreciate their concern, but we have other children to monitor and must focus on them. If something else needs to be addressed feel free to call/email/came in person after (whatever time the last child leaves). That was the primary message. Always find a way to be viewing all of the children even if it means rearrange your whole center. Like if your diaper table is where you can't see someone, move it and don't have it in the bathroom. Also, to wash the children's hands after you diaper them. They also said make everyone sit by the bathroom when one has to go, because if the state comes in and sees you helping one in the bathroom they say no one is watching the other children.

Wow that would be a significant amount of time outside of the bathroom every day sitting.

I don't know what else to think other than somehow the value of the children just rises to heavenly heights when someone is getting three bucks an hour to house them, feed them, supervise them, and do all the housekeeping things for them... but when they are with ANYONE else their value just plummets.

Why does money make these kids safety so high that they literally have to have an adult within feet of them looking directly at them all day long? Where in any other society does this happen?

Once the kid goes to kindy they are in a group of hundreds of kids on the playground with a few adults. What happens when it's free? Their value plummets again.

This kind of care is NANNY care. It is not group care. If the government wants this they can't pay a state paid kid at $2.22 an hour like they do in Iowa. They are asking us to do this level of care for FREE.

NO

We are not in the business of doing EVERYTHING we can do to keep kids safe. We allow them to be transported in cars. That's not safe. We allow them to ride in airplanes.. that's not safe. We allow them to ride in strollers with their backs to whoever is pushing them... that's not safe. We allow them to sleep at night without laws that REQUIRE the parent have SOMEONE awake every minute watching their chest rise and fall... that's not safe. We allow parents to drive them in cars without someone watching them in the back seat of the car... that's not safe. We allow them to climb play equipment... that's not safe. We allow them to skateboard and ride bikes.. that's not safe. We allow them to eat food that has to be chewed... that's not safe.

If we are going to set the standard of safety that they must have adults eyes on them EVERY minute of their life then we need to expect parents and SCHOOLS to do the same thing. Have an adult outside for EVERY kid on the playground so they can be spotted every minute. None of this three adults to a hundred kid ratio. Require parents have an adult for EVERY kid they take to the playground to spot them and be within inches with every trip down the slide and up the stairwell. Require it for their entire minute to minute NOT just when the caretaker is getting a couple of bucks an hour.