Furious - Dose and Drop. Help!

[LysesKids]

This dcm found work more essential than her listless crying child. Terming was needed. Hopefully she will take the dcg to the doctor now.

I had a nurse that did this too me... I understand the job is important, but the child was sent to the same ER mom worked in because she neglected to tell me how bad her injury at home was the night before - baby is screaming in pain trying to sit and mom refused to come get her (I was 5 minutes from hospital); family ended up not only termed, but took off out of state to avoid cps taking the 2 kids (they were pissed when I notified them of the injury and how it happened - dog bite on 2 yr old child bottom with severe bruising & lacerations) - I don't own dogs because I work with tinies only, and it was obvious the wounds were at least 24 hrs old

[Unregistered]

Logged out for privacy because I know this is not going to be popular. I wouldn't have termed. With the stress of a new promotion, the upcoming holidays and a child that wasn't feeling well yesterday, it may not have been an intentional dope and drop as evidenced by her saying something when you asked. She didn't try to hide it. She might not have thought anything of it. I would have a serious talk about it and let her know that if she is sick enough to be medicated she shouldn't be there. I especially would not term a parent that otherwise has been good to work with. There are just too many of them that aren't.

[craftymissbeth]

Logged out for privacy because I know this is not going to be popular. I wouldn't have termed. With the stress of a new promotion, the upcoming holidays and a child that wasn't feeling well yesterday, it may not have been an intentional dope and drop as evidenced by her saying something when you asked. She didn't try to hide it. She might not have thought anything of it. I would have a serious talk about it and let her know that if she is sick enough to be medicated she shouldn't be there. I especially would not term a parent that otherwise has been good to work with. There are just too many of them that aren't.

Drug and Drop is a serious offense, imo. It's dangerous. It opens providers up to a whole lotta unnecessary liability. She didn't openly mention it and only admitted it when asked... to me, that's hiding it. I very honestly don't give a rat's patootie what's going on in a parent's life... if they give their child medication and then send them to my daycare KNOWING (I have parents sign a separate exclusion policy just so I have added proof that they are aware of my policies) what my policy on medication is... they're gone.

[Cradle2crayons]

I agree completely with the comments above and I would have termed too.

One thing though, I wouldn't have allowed the child into care today anyway because they vomited yesterday.

But regardless mom wasn't honest. Honest would have been telling you at drop off.

I'd have told her to pick up within 30 minute and termed her on the spot.

Op, you did the right thing!!

[EntropyControlSpecialist]

I agree completely with the comments above and I would have termed too.

One thing though, I wouldn't have allowed the child into care today anyway because they vomited yesterday.

But regardless mom wasn't honest. Honest would have been telling you at drop off.

I'd have told her to pick up within 30 minute and termed her on the spot.

Op, you did the right thing!!

I 100% agree! Holy moly.

[midaycare]

Logged out for privacy because I know this is not going to be popular. I wouldn't have termed. With the stress of a new promotion, the upcoming holidays and a child that wasn't feeling well yesterday, it may not have been an intentional dope and drop as evidenced by her saying something when you asked. She didn't try to hide it. She might not have thought anything of it. I would have a serious talk about it and let her know that if she is sick enough to be medicated she shouldn't be there. I especially would not term a parent that otherwise has been good to work with. There are just too many of them that aren't.

Part of the reason for terming today was her dumping dcg with me yesterday and as walking out the door she says, "Dcg vomited last night, but it was from constipation. Bye!" I didn't even get a chance to respond. And today, now this. So I felt like it was 2 days of really disregarding my policies. I let yesterday slip by.

I am very relaxed with dcf's, and I let a lot of things slide. I have good dcf's. 5 minutes late, 10 minutes early, eh, I really don't care in the scheme of things. But this I do care about. There is so much responsibility on my hands if dcg were to have a reaction from the meds.

[craftymissbeth]

Part of the reason for terming today was her dumping dcg with me yesterday and as walking out the door she says, "Dcg vomited last night, but it was from constipation. Bye!" I didn't even get a chance to respond. And today, now this. So I felt like it was 2 days of really disregarding my policies. I let yesterday slip by.

I am very relaxed with dcf's, and I let a lot of things slide. I have good dcf's. 5 minutes late, 10 minutes early, eh, I really don't care in the scheme of things. But this I do care about. There is so much responsibility on my hands if dcg were to have a reaction from the meds.

I'm also super relaxed when it comes to most of my policies, but absolutely not flexible when it comes to my exclusion/illness/medication policies.

[Parent]

What kinds of medicine are we talking about here? While I wouldn't give my kid Tylenol for a fever before dropoff, I can't keep him out for a week while he takes a course of prescription cough syrup. That stuff makes him a little out of it, but he's not contagious and participates, albeit not as much as usual.

[craftymissbeth]

What kinds of medicine are we talking about here? While I wouldn't give my kid Tylenol for a fever before dropoff, I can't keep him out for a week while he takes a course of prescription cough syrup. That stuff makes him a little out of it, but he's not contagious and participates, albeit not as much as usual.

idk what kind OP's parent gave their child, but if a parent gave their child ANY medication and then failed to document it in their medication log here at daycare they would be terminated.

[midaycare]

What kinds of medicine are we talking about here? While I wouldn't give my kid Tylenol for a fever before dropoff, I can't keep him out for a week while he takes a course of prescription cough syrup. That stuff makes him a little out of it, but he's not contagious and participates, albeit not as much as usual.

It was ibuprofen. Had she told me about it, I wouldn't have cared, wouldn't have excluded, nor would have termed.

I am very lenient with dcf's and sick kiddos. I understand how hard it is. But masking a fever is not okay in my book. And I do have a separate page in my handbook that is gone over by me and separately signed by the parent. I am very detailed about not dosing and dropping. I sit down with each parent - mother and father - and go over every handbook rule page by slow page.

I believe, although I truly do like dcm, that she did purposely mask a fever this morning and just got caught. When I questioned her about dcg this morning because she was very clingy, dcm told me it was just a "bad mood".

I always ask dcf's "How is dcg or dcb today?" They have the opportunity to tell me when something is wrong, and if they are honest, I usually can find a way to work with them and rarely exclude.

[Kabob]

It was ibuprofen. Had she told me about it, I wouldn't have cared, wouldn't have excluded, nor would have termed.

I am very lenient with dcf's and sick kiddos. I understand how hard it is. But masking a fever is not okay in my book. And I do have a separate page in my handbook that is gone over by me and separately signed by the parent. I am very detailed about not dosing and dropping. I sit down with each parent - mother and father - and go over every handbook rule page by slow page.

I believe, although I truly do like dcm, that she did purposely mask a fever this morning and just got caught. When I questioned her about dcg this morning because she was very clingy, dcm told me it was just a "bad mood".

I always ask dcf's "How is dcg or dcb today?" They have the opportunity to tell me when something is wrong, and if they are honest, I usually can find a way to work with them and rarely exclude.

I let parents get away with this in the past and regretted it. We all got very sick often and their children took way longer than anyone else to recover and just were miserable.

It's dangerous to medicate a child and not tell your provider. They could have a reaction to the new medication in their system. They could require medical attention and the provider wouldn't know it. They could have something highly contagious and the provider wouldn't know until they've been exposed to children that wouldn't have been exposed at all if the child had been kept home (some children here are part time so they aren't exposed to children who are sick but have no symptoms so the "well everyone was exposed anyway" excuse isn't true here), and so forth.

If you didn't stick with your policy then what else would she have snuck in?

Also, lying to me in order to break any policy is not okay. It ruins the trust that is absolutely required from both parents and provider in order to make the daycare relationship work.

[Blackcat31]

What kinds of medicine are we talking about here? While I wouldn't give my kid Tylenol for a fever before dropoff, I can't keep him out for a week while he takes a course of prescription cough syrup. That stuff makes him a little out of it, but he's not contagious and participates, albeit not as much as usual.

Why not? It's YOUR child and YOUR responsibility to manage his physical, mental and emotional condition.

Including times where he is excluded from his child care.

If your provider excluded for something like that it would be YOUR responsibility to find back up care rather than just assume that since you can't take that much time off work or keep your child home that the provider should simply be the one to take care of it.

Providers manage MULTIPLE kids/families as well as their own.

YOUR individual situation has NO bearing on that.
Your individual situation is your issue to manage.

I'm tired of reading posts from parents about how little PTO time they have left or how difficult it is that they have to manage or deal with their child's issues.

It's not MY child so its not MY problem.

[CraftyMom]

Why not? It's YOUR child and YOUR responsibility to manage his physical, mental and emotional condition.

Including times where he is excluded from his child care.

If your provider excluded for something like that it would be YOUR responsibility to find back up care rather than just assume that since you can't take that much time off work or keep your child home that the provider should simply be the one to take care of it.

Providers manage MULTIPLE kids/families as well as their own.

YOUR individual situation has NO bearing on that.
Your individual situation is your issue to manage.

I'm tired of reading posts from parents about how little PTO time they have left or how difficult it is that they have to manage or deal with their child's issues.

It's not MY child so its not MY problem.

happyface

"My kid is sick, but I can't take time off, so you deal with him being sick and miserable. I'll be at work not having to deal with his misery at all"

[TheGoodLife]

Why not? It's YOUR child and YOUR responsibility to manage his physical, mental and emotional condition.

Including times where he is excluded from his child care.

If your provider excluded for something like that it would be YOUR responsibility to find back up care rather than just assume that since you can't take that much time off work or keep your child home that the provider should simply be the one to take care of it.

Providers manage MULTIPLE kids/families as well as their own.

YOUR individual situation has NO bearing on that.
Your individual situation is your issue to manage.

I'm tired of reading posts from parents about how little PTO time they have left or how difficult it is that they have to manage or deal with their child's issues.

It's not MY child so its not MY problem.

Parents can't have both. Many like to come to home daycares because it's cheaper than centers BUT if you want to be guaranteed against emergency last-minute closures that's the price! I have only had to close 2 times with one-days notice, but it could happen at any time. If you know that's something you can't afford to risk, you need to look for other options.

[hope]

Why not? It's YOUR child and YOUR responsibility to manage his physical, mental and emotional condition.

Including times where he is excluded from his child care.

If your provider excluded for something like that it would be YOUR responsibility to find back up care rather than just assume that since you can't take that much time off work or keep your child home that the provider should simply be the one to take care of it.

Providers manage MULTIPLE kids/families as well as their own.

YOUR individual situation has NO bearing on that.
Your individual situation is your issue to manage.

I'm tired of reading posts from parents about how little PTO time they have left or how difficult it is that they have to manage or deal with their child's issues.

It's not MY child so its not MY problem.

I agree. Parents sign the contract knowing the rules of group care and then expect us providers to go against our own rules.