The Choice Not to Vaccinate

[Blackcat31]

Sorry BlackCat, you're right that I was offensive. I apologize for the wording. I will not apologize for fighting so hard against people who are making an illogical choice that threatens our entire society as a whole for their personal beliefs. Look how much damage Osama Bin Laden caused for the sake of his personal beliefs.

I support ANYONE who has a personal belief they feel strongly about... I just feel like it negates the belief you are fighting for/standing up for when you add name-calling to the mix.

Thanks for addressing it....

[Unregistered]

But it's not really that simple. The immunization has still cut down the number of cases drastically from years before the immunization was available.

This isn't actually true if you examine statistics. Good sanitation and basic health practices drastically lowered these numbers before the vaccine was even introduced.

[Howl]

I'm only a babysitter at the moment but I require all the kids I babysit to be immunized on schedule. The only exception is for immunocompromised kids. I don't accept personal exemption or whatever it's called in my state. I would never put kids at risk in my care. That's irresponsible.

[daycare]

I'm only a babysitter at the moment but I require all the kids I babysit to be immunized on schedule. The only exception is for immunocompromised kids. I don't accept personal exemption or whatever it's called in my state. I would never put kids at risk in my care. That's irresponsible.

FYI what your doing is illegal and you could be found guilty of discrimination and can be sued by the parents. I myself am just learning a lot about this. YOu should check into childcare law website.

[sahm1225]

FYI what your doing is illegal and you could be found guilty of discrimination and can be sued by the parents. I myself am just learning a lot about this. YOu should check into childcare law website.

I don't get why it's illegal. Is non vaccinating a protected class?
It's a personal belief.

[laundrymom]

I don't get why it's illegal. Is non vaccinating a protected class?
It's a personal belief.

Someone could accuse you of religious discrimination. If they're religion forbid vax and you refused care.

[daycare]

I don't get why it's illegal. Is non vaccinating a protected class?
It's a personal belief.

so from what I am being told by my lawyer is this..

we can not say that we don't take non vax children as this would be discrimination.

the only way we could refuse services is if they refuse to supply the required documentation for their reasoning.

Also, I am being told that in my state it is now being labeled personal beliefs exemption, no longer called religious beliefs exemption.

if you claim personal beleifs exmp then you would:

1. Parent must not only sign an affidavit, they must also submit LIC CDPH 8262, personal beliefs exemption to required immunization form filled out by an authorized health care practitioner licensed in the state of CA. (there is no more of the just sign the back of the blue card)

2. Medical exemption- a doctors written statement is required and must state which immunizations are to be exempt from.

so they have combined the religious and personal beliefs exemption and we can not use this as a reason to not provide care. Only if they refuse to provide the required documentation to file this status.

does that make sense? trust me I am having a hard time figuring this out myself.

[Leigh]

It's not illegal everywhere. Some states allow daycares to make that choice for themselves, some don't, from what I understand. I do not have to accept non-vaccinated kids.

[Tin Blues]

Depends on the state. Here in Montana there is no religious waiver or personal exemption for daycares. Once children are school age, Montana accepts both, but not daycares. All children have to have their shots, or have a schedule to get their shots (called a conditional attendance form), or have a medical exemption signed by a doctor. Licensing checks all vaccination records and the health department also comes every year and checks every child's shot records. We can be written up if any of our kids don't have their shots.

Providers also have to be up to date. I had to get an MMR before I became licensed even though I had measles as a kid.

[Crystal]

This is law In Ca....whole document can be found at http://www.childcarelaw.org/ or here http://childcarelaw.org/wp-content/u...California.pdf

Must a child care provider enroll a child
who has an immunization exemption?
Yes, under laws that protect religious beliefs
and those that prohibit discrimination against
people with disabilities. California public
health regulations require licensed child care
providers to admit a child with a valid medical
or personal beliefs exemption unconditionally.7

Parents may file a complaint with Community
Care Licensing against any child care provider
who refuses to admit an unimmunized child
who has a valid exemption, and Licensing may
then take disciplinary action against that child
care provider.
Federal and state civil rights laws also protect
children who obtain an exemption due to
religion, disability, or medical condition.8
Therefore, a parent may sue a child care
provider and/or file a discrimination
complaint with the appropriate government
agency against a child care provider who
refuses to admit a child with a valid
exemption and thereby discriminates against
that child on the basis of religion, disability, or
medical condition. Such actions by the parent
of an excluded child could expose the child
care provider to significant legal costs.9

[daycare]

thanks crystal I was trying to find that...

[Blackcat31]

Sounds like the law provides a loop hole for those providers that do not wish to take a non-vaxed child: (the following was taken from the link provided by CFQI above)

How can child care providers avoid getting in trouble with Licensing or sued by parents?

Inform parents about immunizations.

1. Tell parents, both verbally and in your written contract, how you feel about immunizations and your legal obligations.

2. Upon request, explain the immunization exemptions and what is required to obtain them.

3. Explain that when there is “good cause to believe” that an unimmunized child has been exposed to a communicable disease listed in Health & Safety Code Section 120325, the child may be excluded from your child care until the local public health department decides that the child is no longer at risk of developing the disease.

4. Give parents credible, scientific literature on the benefits and/or risks of immunizations.

[daycare]

Sounds like the law provides a loop hole for those providers that do not wish to take a non-vaxed child: (the following was taken from the link provided by CFQI above)

How can child care providers avoid getting in trouble with Licensing or sued by parents?

Inform parents about immunizations.

1. Tell parents, both verbally and in your written contract, how you feel about immunizations and your legal obligations.

2. Upon request, explain the immunization exemptions and what is required to obtain them.

3. Explain that when there is “good cause to believe” that an unimmunized child has been exposed to a communicable disease listed in Health & Safety Code Section 120325, the child may be excluded from your child care until the local public health department decides that the child is no longer at risk of developing the disease.

4. Give parents credible, scientific literature on the benefits and/or risks of immunizations.

BC I thought this too and am being told NO.

[Howl]

Thank you for that info, wow.

What about caregivers? I've had a several parents (especially doctors and nurses) ask me if I have all of my shots. Is that legal?

[Unregistered]

AND tell them they still have to pay, no matter how long they are excluded. OR just tell them you have a family that has seniority that has a schedule change and the spot is gone.
At the end of each interview I tell them I am still taking applications and I will call them and let them know if the spot will be offered. I know it sounds bad but make up an excuse.