The Choice Not to Vaccinate

[Second Home]

Last week we were asked by the state to check our records to see if all kids had the mmr vaccines ( as age appropriate). Then in the next sentence we were told we can not deny care if they do not have it because it would be illegal . They did not specify how it would be illegal though .

[LysesKids]

Last week we were asked by the state to check our records to see if all kids had the mmr vaccines ( as age appropriate). Then in the next sentence we were told we can not deny care if they do not have it because it would be illegal . They did not specify how it would be illegal though .

Because MD has the Religious exemption as well as a medical one ... they could be on an an alternate fax path too. http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/sta.../maryland.aspx. Also If you take subsidy, or on the food program, it's considered illegal to deny care because you accept state & federal funds and the exemption doesn't require more than a note for religion, not proof ( there was a few court cases about it a long time ago)

[daycare]

In California I was just told by licensing and child care law that it is against the law to refuse services to someone because they have a personal beliefs exemption. So this means I could be sued for saying I don't except non vax kids.


I would have to find another reason and be able to show proof. WHY I could not meet their needs or why we were not a good fit.

I could be on for trouble. I have 12 people on my wait list out of 47 that are all non vax and I can't use that as an excuse as to why I won't take them.

I officially hate my career choice.

[Blackcat31]

In California I was just told by licensing and child care law that it is against the law to refuse services to someone because they have a personal beliefs exemption. So this means I could be sued for saying I don't except non vax kids.


I would have to find another reason and be able to show proof. WHY I could not meet their needs or why we were not a good fit.

I could be on for trouble. I have 12 people on my wait list out of 47 that are all non vax and I can't use that as an excuse as to why I won't take them.

I officially hate my career choice.

Why wouldn't you take a non-vax child/family?

[daycare]

Why wouldn't you take a non-vax child/family?

It's not a matter of wouldn't.

So here is ca there are 3 legal excuses
1. Religious beliefs
2. Medical
3. Personal beliefs exemptions.
We can't deny entry regardless of their decision..

So those that choose to not vax simply because they don't want to we can't deny entry as long as they are willing to get required paper work filled out.

So the choice to not take non vax in my state is not applicable.

[NoMoreJuice!]

I would never take an anti-vax family, because I like to do business with families who have similar viewpoints to mine. I think it's a total crock of poo that people are refusing to vaccinate their kids to "protect them" from autism. I simply do not do business with idiots, and I'd be quite happy to testify in court that that was my reason for denying a family enrollment in my daycare.

[Unregistered]

http://www.tomcopelandblog.com/2013/08/may-i-refuse-care-to-a-child-who-is-not-immunized.html

Maybe he has new thoughts on this?

[daycare]

I would never take an anti-vax family, because I like to do business with families who have similar viewpoints to mine. I think it's a total crock of poo that people are refusing to vaccinate their kids to "protect them" from autism. I simply do not do business with idiots, and I'd be quite happy to testify in court that that was my reason for denying a family enrollment in my daycare.

So in ca from what the laws say in this document I just got it states that a family may sue you for discrimination.

I don't have that kind of money to fight people so it looks like I'm going to be trying to find an alternate reason WHY I can't/wont enroll these non vax families

[Starburst]

In California I was just told by licensing and child care law that it is against the law to refuse services to someone because they have a personal beliefs exemption. So this means I could be sued for saying I don't except non vax kids.


I would have to find another reason and be able to show proof. WHY I could not meet their needs or why we were not a good fit.

I could be on for trouble. I have 12 people on my wait list out of 47 that are all non vax and I can't use that as an excuse as to why I won't take them.

I officially hate my career choice.

So in ca from what the laws say in this document I just got it states that a family may sue you for discrimination.

I don't have that kind of money to fight people so it looks like I'm going to be trying to find an alternate reason WHY I can't/wont enroll these non vax families

If you have a waiting list with over 47 people on it you can always justify to licensing that you don't have enough room and that the other families seemed like a better fit for your program, you're not legally required to give the families a reason why you chose other families over them (imagine if you had to tell a family you wouldn't take their child because they were acting like a brat at the interview).

I went to school in California and I remember when I was almost due for a booster (I think it was for tetnis, less than 10 years ago) in middle school they told my mom she had until a certain date for me to get vaccinated or I wouldn't be allowed to go back to school until I got it.

[daycare]

If you have a waiting list with over 47 people on it you can always justify to licensing that you don't have enough room and that the other families seemed like a better fit for your program, you're not legally required to give the families a reason why you chose other families over them (imagine if you had to tell a family you wouldn't take their child because they were acting like a brat at the interview).

I went to school in California and I remember when I was almost due for a booster (I think it was for tetnis, less than 10 years ago) in middle school they told my mom she had until a certain date for me to get vaccinated or I wouldn't be allowed to go back to school until I got it.

Of course that it is true. I can give any reason. But I can NOT Say that I don't take non vax or such. It would be discrimination.

Again they can do as they please as long as they are willing to have the proper documentation filled out.

If your mother would have came back and said I refuse to get that vax and here is the documentation to serve as exemption. Legally that can not force you to do it. You can file 1 of those 3 and they legally can't not make you vax.
I have been on the phone with childcare law CA and my lawyer. M
I'll tell you guys why in private section.
Let's just say the laws are unfair.

[Starburst]

Of course that it is true. I can give any reason. But I can NOT Say that I don't take non vax or such. It would be discrimination.

Again they can do as they please as long as they are willing to have the proper documentation filled out.

If your mother would have came back and said I refuse to get that vax and here is the documentation to serve as exemption. Legally that can not force you to do it. You can file 1 of those 3 and they legally can't not make you vax.
I have been on the phone with childcare law CA and my lawyer. M
I'll tell you guys why in private section.
Let's just say the laws are unfair.

We didn't have anything against vaccinations, we were just broke and didn't have insurance back then.

[Blackcat31]

It's not a matter of wouldn't.

So here is ca there are 3 legal excuses
1. Religious beliefs
2. Medical
3. Personal beliefs exemptions.
We can't deny entry regardless of their decision..

So those that choose to not vax simply because they don't want to we can't deny entry as long as they are willing to get required paper work filled out.

So the choice to not take non vax in my state is not applicable.

In California I was just told by licensing and child care law that it is against the law to refuse services to someone because they have a personal beliefs exemption. So this means I could be sued for saying I don't except non vax kids.


I would have to find another reason and be able to show proof. WHY I could not meet their needs or why we were not a good fit.

I could be on for trouble. I have 12 people on my wait list out of 47 that are all non vax and I can't use that as an excuse as to why I won't take them.
I officially hate my career choice.

I am still not understanding what you mean...

In your first post you said ^^ you could be sued for saying you don't accept non-vaxed kids...
Then you said you "could be in for trouble" since you have families on your waitlist that don't vax...and you can't use that as an excuse as to why you won't take them...

To me that implies you are now going to have to come up with another reason why you won't take them. I'm just asking why you won't take them.

If that isn't what you meant and you WILL take them when an opening becomes available, then I don't see how this law/reg even affects you.

If your state says they need to have xx reasons for not being vaxed and you have no issue with a family not being vaxed, then I am still not seeing how any of this is an issue.

Why would you need an excuse for those families? If you don't have space to take them, you don't have space to take them....I just don't see how that has anything to do with the law/reg you were told.

[Blackcat31]

So in ca from what the laws say in this document I just got it states that a family may sue you for discrimination.

I don't have that kind of money to fight people so it looks like I'm going to be trying to find an alternate reason WHY I can't/wont enroll these non vax families

This post also infers that you wont take a non-vax'ed family...

I am curious as to why you wont accept a non-vaccinated child?

[Blackcat31]

I would never take an anti-vax family, because I like to do business with families who have similar viewpoints to mine. I think it's a total crock of poo that people are refusing to vaccinate their kids to "protect them" from autism. I simply do not do business with idiots, and I'd be quite happy to testify in court that that was my reason for denying a family enrollment in my daycare.

I have my own personal beliefs and feel others have a right to theirs as well but this type of comment saddens me...

I am sure there are probably much nicer ways to say you don't agree with those who don't agree with you.

[NoMoreJuice!]

Sorry BlackCat, you're right that I was offensive. I apologize for the wording. I will not apologize for fighting so hard against people who are making an illogical choice that threatens our entire society as a whole for their personal beliefs. Look how much damage Osama Bin Laden caused for the sake of his personal beliefs.