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  • Mom o Col
    Daycare.com Member
    • Jan 2014
    • 126

    Legally Unlicensed/Licensed

    I honest to God am wondering, not trying to stir any trouble up, if those who are licensed have an issue with providers who are unlicensed BUT operating legally as far as the rules set forth in their own areas (not having more children than allowed, etc). To be fair I will state my own opinion first: I truly believe there is a place for both. I respect the time, energy, money, and commitment the licensed providers expend to obtain and maintain their licenses. I know how much goes into that. I believe being licensed should afford you at least a little more respect, ability to charge higher rates, and other benefits in exchange for the difficulties. At the same time I also am ok with the legally unlicensed as long as they are truly operating legally. Your thoughts...
  • Thriftylady
    Daycare.com Member
    • Aug 2014
    • 5884

    #2
    I was licensed in Kansas and am legally unlicensed now. I don't have an issue either way, as long as the law is being followed and the children are properly cared for.

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    • Blackcat31
      • Oct 2010
      • 36124

      #3
      Originally posted by Mom o Col
      I honest to God am wondering, not trying to stir any trouble up, if those who are licensed have an issue with providers who are unlicensed BUT operating legally as far as the rules set forth in their own areas (not having more children than allowed, etc). To be fair I will state my own opinion first: I truly believe there is a place for both. I respect the time, energy, money, and commitment the licensed providers expend to obtain and maintain their licenses. I know how much goes into that. I believe being licensed should afford you at least a little more respect, ability to charge higher rates, and other benefits in exchange for the difficulties. At the same time I also am ok with the legally unlicensed as long as they are truly operating legally. Your thoughts...
      Nope. Not here....I have zero issue with someone LEGALLY caring for kids in my state without a license.

      ....because in my state you can only watch one family's kids (whether they have 1 or 100) without needing a license so legally unlicensed providers really couldn't be competition here.

      However, that said....I don't believe a license makes anyone a better or higher quality provider. I agree that is takes time, money and support to maintain that license but I don't for one second think it lends them any more credibility or can guarantee safety anymore than the next guy...kwim?

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      • LysesKids
        Daycare.com Member
        • May 2014
        • 2836

        #4
        I started out licensed 14 years ago have also been registered in some states, now legally license exempt... the state rules in TN don't offer me any benefit for going licensed since I do babies only; I can have up to 4 kids either way. I still act like I am licensed with full paperwork etc, just without the bureaucratic crap that the Stars program adds to licensed providers in the state

        As long as a provider is running legal who should worry... there are benefits to both ways

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        • KidGrind
          Daycare.com Member
          • Sep 2013
          • 1099

          #5
          I agree with all the posters above.

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          • e.j.
            Daycare.com Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 3738

            #6
            I don't have a problem with unlicensed providers. If I could legally operate without a license in my own state, I would do it in a heartbeat.

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            • NightOwl
              Advanced Daycare.com Member
              • Mar 2014
              • 2722

              #7
              Not me. We don't have a provision for legally unlicensed people here. You either are licensed or illegal. But I would have no problem with it, as long as the law is being followed.

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              • Dilley Beans
                Daycare.com Member
                • Jul 2014
                • 98

                #8
                In Oregon you are either Licensed or Registered, or exempt for having 1 family's kids + your own, up to 3 kids total. I am headed for Registered personally but working towards Licensed, there are a few steps that will take more money than we have right now and in due time will complete.

                We all want what is best for the children of our communities but sometimes we have to step back and remember we can't watch everyone's children, someone else has to be a care provider for all the ones we can't take.

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                • Baby Beluga
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Aug 2014
                  • 3891

                  #9
                  Originally posted by LysesKids
                  I started out licensed 14 years ago have also been registered in some states, now legally license exempt... the state rules in TN don't offer me any benefit for going licensed since I do babies only; I can have up to 4 kids either way. I still act like I am licensed with full paperwork etc, just without the bureaucratic crap that the Stars program adds to licensed providers in the state

                  As long as a provider is running legal who should worry... there are benefits to both ways
                  I second this and also operate this way. In my state you can have up to 4 children without being licensed. IMO 4 is all I want so really there isn't much of a benefit to being licensed. I still have paperwork, a parent handbook and normal DC policies. I also have a fingerprint clearance card, CPR/First AID certifications and food handlers cards on display in my daycare room- and all are current.

                  I will say though there is a lot of competition in my city of providers who are NOT running legally. One of my DCP's told me she left her last provider who had 9 children and was unlicensed.

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                  • Thriftylady
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Aug 2014
                    • 5884

                    #10
                    I have to say that even though I am legally unlicensed now, I run like I did when I was licensed. Or will when I get some kids. I have full paperwork, healthy menus, and am basically doing things the way I did then. Just because I don't have to be licensed doesn't mean my program should be lacking.

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                    • Play Care
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 6642

                      #11
                      Originally posted by e.j.
                      I don't have a problem with unlicensed providers. If I could legally operate without a license in my own state, I would do it in a heartbeat.


                      That said, I've recently found out (and why this just occurred to me I have no idea, I'm just sheltered I guess:: ) is that some legally unlicensed providers in my state are claiming they are related to the kids in their care when they are not, just do they don't have to be licensed.
                      So if they are TRULY legally unlicensed than I don't care. I hate having to be licensed.

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                      • Annalee
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 5864

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Play Care


                        That said, I've recently found out (and why this just occurred to me I have no idea, I'm just sheltered I guess:: ) is that some legally unlicensed providers in my state are claiming they are related to the kids in their care when they are not, just do they don't have to be licensed.
                        So if they are TRULY legally unlicensed than I don't care. I hate having to be licensed.
                        Many here are illegally unlicensed ...u can keep 4 children unrelated and as many as you want related....some are keeping as many as me (12 kids) and saying the extra kids are niece/nephews so they can count them on the food program...sad thing is the food program has to know this but they do nothing about it......unless there is a complaint, licensing does not go after illegally unlicensed providers here :confused: but yet they will come into my licensed program at any time of day and check whatever they choose for the day!!

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                        • toriskids
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Aug 2014
                          • 13

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Dilley Beans
                          In Oregon you are either Licensed or Registered, or exempt for having 1 family's kids + your own, up to 3 kids total. I am headed for Registered personally but working towards Licensed, there are a few steps that will take more money than we have right now and in due time will complete.

                          We all want what is best for the children of our communities but sometimes we have to step back and remember we can't watch everyone's children, someone else has to be a care provider for all the ones we can't take.
                          Good luck to you Dilley Beans! I am a registered provider here in Oregon and love love love it

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                          • Cat Herder
                            Advanced Daycare.com Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 13744

                            #14
                            No problem here.

                            In my State you have to be licensed if you keep more than two kids. Even if they are related to you. And now, 2014, it applies even if you accept no pay for them.

                            Take in 3rd kid that you are not the legal guardian of... and you have to get licensed. Crystal clear, now.

                            IF I could pay my bills keeping only two kids, I'd be legally unlicensed in a heartbeat. I'd be one of those lucky transporting/field trip providers. happyface
                            - Unless otherwise stated, all my posts are personal opinion and worth what you paid for them.

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                            • NeedaVaca
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 2276

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Cat Herder
                              No problem here.

                              In my State you have to be licensed if you keep more than two kids. Even if they are related to you. And now, 2014, it applies even if you accept no pay for them.

                              Take in 3rd kid that you are not the legal guardian of... and you have to get licensed. Crystal clear, now.

                              IF I could pay my bills keeping only two kids, I'd be legally unlicensed in a heartbeat. I'd be one of those lucky transporting/field trip providers. happyface
                              That is so sad! So a grandparent couldn't watch there own grandchildren for free? I don't understand how people let laws like this get passed!

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