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  • BumbleBee
    Daycare.com Member
    • Jun 2012
    • 2380

    #16
    Originally posted by Leigh
    I think that the safe sleep educators should be parents whose children died because of unsafe practices. Those parents should have to watch a funeral of a baby dead because of carelessness and selfishness.
    People still won't listen. I say that because my son died from me being careless & selfish. I will note that his death was not safe sleep/positional in nature. I knew a mom with a child who had similar health problems as my son. We both took part in the careless & selfish behavior that led to my child's death. Her kid is still alive, mine isn't. I say all that to say she didn't change. It was right in front of her. The cold harsh reality of a dead child because of careless & selfish behavior didn't deter her in the least. I live with my mistake every day, she lives with her child.

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    • NightOwl
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • Mar 2014
      • 2722

      #17
      I've been to one such funeral. The child was in my center when he passed and I was the person to perform cpr. Even though he died of SIDS and was sleeping safely, that was still plenty enough to make me so very paranoid about safe sleep practices. I never allowed an infant to sleep in a swing, bouncy seat, or on their tummies again. And threatened to immediately terminate any employee who I found doing so.

      I also use Snuza monitors to monitor the sleeping infants' breathing. No one can just sit and watch an infant sleep, right? These devices are so fantastic and give one a certain peace of mind, but are IN NO WAY an excuse for unsafe sleep.

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      • Leigh
        Daycare.com Member
        • Apr 2013
        • 3814

        #18
        Originally posted by Trummynme
        People still won't listen. I say that because my son died from me being careless & selfish. I will note that his death was not safe sleep/positional in nature. I knew a mom with a child who had similar health problems as my son. We both took part in the careless & selfish behavior that led to my child's death. Her kid is still alive, mine isn't. I say all that to say she didn't change. It was right in front of her. The cold harsh reality of a dead child because of careless & selfish behavior didn't deter her in the least. I live with my mistake every day, she lives with her child.
        I am SO very sorry for what you have been through. While MY child has not died from unsafe sleep (I am adamant about safety), I have several friends, family, and acquaintances who have lost children to preventable causes (safe sleep). Their experiences are exactly why I am so hyper-vigilant about safety.

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        • NightOwl
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Mar 2014
          • 2722

          #19
          Originally posted by Trummynme
          People still won't listen. I say that because my son died from me being careless & selfish. I will note that his death was not safe sleep/positional in nature. I knew a mom with a child who had similar health problems as my son. We both took part in the careless & selfish behavior that led to my child's death. Her kid is still alive, mine isn't. I say all that to say she didn't change. It was right in front of her. The cold harsh reality of a dead child because of careless & selfish behavior didn't deter her in the least. I live with my mistake every day, she lives with her child.
          Wow, I'm so very sorry for your loss. We'd love to hear your story, if you're comfortable sharing it. If not, that's totally Ok too. I understand all too well. It took me a long time to share mine.

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          • KiddieCahoots
            FCC Educator
            • Mar 2014
            • 1349

            #20
            Originally posted by Trummynme
            People still won't listen. I say that because my son died from me being careless & selfish. I will note that his death was not safe sleep/positional in nature. I knew a mom with a child who had similar health problems as my son. We both took part in the careless & selfish behavior that led to my child's death. Her kid is still alive, mine isn't. I say all that to say she didn't change. It was right in front of her. The cold harsh reality of a dead child because of careless & selfish behavior didn't deter her in the least. I live with my mistake every day, she lives with her child.
            Trummynme, I'm so sorry

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            • KiddieCahoots
              FCC Educator
              • Mar 2014
              • 1349

              #21
              Originally posted by Wednesday
              I've been to one such funeral. The child was in my center when he passed and I was the person to perform cpr. Even though he died of SIDS and was sleeping safely, that was still plenty enough to make me so very paranoid about safe sleep practices. I never allowed an infant to sleep in a swing, bouncy seat, or on their tummies again. And threatened to immediately terminate any employee who I found doing so.

              I also use Snuza monitors to monitor the sleeping infants' breathing. No one can just sit and watch an infant sleep, right? These devices are so fantastic and give one a certain peace of mind, but are IN NO WAY an excuse for unsafe sleep.
              Wednesday, thanks to your story I've purchased 2 Snuza's, written up the parental permission forms, and now use them in my child care.

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              • NightOwl
                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                • Mar 2014
                • 2722

                #22
                Originally posted by KiddieCahoots
                Wednesday, thanks to your story I've purchased 2 Snuza's, written up the parental permission forms, and now use them in my child care.
                Oohhhhhhh my gosh!! That's fantastic!! I'm gonna text Salvatore's mom RIGHT NOW and tell her!

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                • NightOwl
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • Mar 2014
                  • 2722

                  #23
                  Omg.... I'm gonna cry now.... That's so wonderful.

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                  • craftymissbeth
                    Legally Unlicensed
                    • May 2012
                    • 2385

                    #24
                    I agree that they should have to SEE a baby's funeral.

                    Although... My nephew died from SIDS in 2008. Even then, my sister sleeps her 6 mo in a car seat, props his bottle with a blanket, swaddled him tightly (my nephew died while swaddled), etc. She has one from before him and two after. She hasn't changed her ways because "the chances of it happening again are extremely low".

                    Too many parents do what's easiest because a crying baby rattles their nerves and breaks their hearts. Even with all of the education in the world AND experiencing an infant death some people are still too selfish and lazy to change their ways.

                    I've seen it referenced several times that here that their childrens doctors actually recommended them sleep their babies in swings or car seats. I'd be looking for a new doctor. That doctor won't be held accountable if your baby dies.




                    Trummy, I'm so sorry for your loss :hug:

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                    • craftymissbeth
                      Legally Unlicensed
                      • May 2012
                      • 2385

                      #25
                      Originally posted by KiddieCahoots
                      Wednesday, thanks to your story I've purchased 2 Snuza's, written up the parental permission forms, and now use them in my child care.
                      I purchased one, also! I'm just waiting to get a younger infant that I can use it on.

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                      • playground1

                        #26
                        God, there's so much conflicting information all the time, that it's hard to keep track. When my oldest was a baby, they were telling us to put them on their bellies to sleep and with my last, swaddling was all the rage. (I did swaddle him, with hands out and it worked great for us. That's him picking his nose in my pic.) We can't always just use our instincts anymore, as moms.

                        I just really want to say to everyone that's lost a little one, I'm so, so sorry. I can't even imagine the pain you must carry. Feel hugged.

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                        • Unregistered

                          #27
                          "I used them with my last kid(s), and THEY are fine".

                          ^^^This!!!!

                          Things are always changing because we are learning more! We're doing more studies, seeing more patterns, and creating laws and regulations because some parents don't use common sense. I'm big with carseat safety- my 3yr old still rear faces, and while I get that not everyone is that level of obsessed, if I try explaining why a 3 year old at least needs to be in a 5 point, I get this crap- "I was allowed to roll around in the back of a truck and I was fine!" Yeah, but were you in a severe accident while in that truck? If you had been, would you have been fine?

                          Sorry, off on a tangent, but the same. Yes, your other kids may have been super lucky, but why take a chance???

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                          • Angelsj
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Aug 2012
                            • 1323

                            #28
                            Originally posted by queen_of_the_playground
                            God, there's so much conflicting information all the time, that it's hard to keep track. When my oldest was a baby, they were telling us to put them on their bellies to sleep and with my last, swaddling was all the rage. (I did swaddle him, with hands out and it worked great for us. That's him picking his nose in my pic.) We can't always just use our instincts anymore, as moms.

                            I just really want to say to everyone that's lost a little one, I'm so, so sorry. I can't even imagine the pain you must carry. Feel hugged.
                            Personally, I don't subscribed to a lot of the stuff floating around. Positioning, swaddling, no swings, co-sleeping, etc. My own infants have slept in many of those places. I do what I have to to follow the regs, but so much changes so often.
                            What I do think makes ALL the difference in the world is close supervision. All other rules followed, my one and only infant also sleeps in my line of sight at all times, and is checked on every 5 mins, visually, not by monitor.
                            All the other rules just change too often, and I don't want my dck to be the one that shows a rule doesn't work.

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                            • SignMeUp
                              Family ChildCare Provider
                              • Jan 2014
                              • 1325

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Angelsj
                              What I do think makes ALL the difference in the world is close supervision....
                              All the other rules just change too often, and I don't want my dck to be the one that shows a rule doesn't work.
                              I certainly agree with this part. When my own child was four months old, said child decided to flout the rules by flipping from tummy to back while sleeping, arms spread wide. I watched in horror because this went against the wisdom of the time. I kept a close eye and worried a lot.

                              That said, the Back to Sleep campaign originally claimed about a 50% reduction in SID (SUID) deaths, if I remember correctly. The numbers slid in recent years, but may be because people got lax about following the guidelines. Hence the new regulations in child care.
                              The numbers of deaths in my state while infants were at home were shocking to me. Many many times the deaths in child care, but then, parents are not subject to regulation.

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                              • nannyde
                                All powerful, all knowing daycare whisperer
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 7320

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Angelsj
                                Personally, I don't subscribed to a lot of the stuff floating around. Positioning, swaddling, no swings, co-sleeping, etc. My own infants have slept in many of those places. I do what I have to to follow the regs, but so much changes so often.
                                What I do think makes ALL the difference in the world is close supervision. All other rules followed, my one and only infant also sleeps in my line of sight at all times, and is checked on every 5 mins, visually, not by monitor.
                                All the other rules just change too often, and I don't want my dck to be the one that shows a rule doesn't work.
                                I think what's starting to change is how specific the cause of death is. Now more coroners know the difference between positional death and SIDS.

                                I don't do that level of supervision. The baby doesn't have that anywhere it goes. I do ten minute rounds and have the babies on a different level from me. I think the proper position in a flat surface bare crib or playpen with a dark cool room and a warm layer that is fitted over clothing is the best to increase the chances of survival. Also I keep the baby centered in the playpen and have open mesh on at least two sides.

                                I also think being very strict about not allowing sick babies helps too.
                                http://www.amazon.com/Daycare-Whispe...=doing+daycare

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