Moving your Daycare in California

[daycare]

UGH- Maybe someone can help here.

I have a large DC. I need to move.

I was told that I will have to reapply all over again, so basically I will have to rent two houses at the same time if I want to have a smooth transition moving my kids over.

I was told that the height of the LIC is just starting right now and they are expecting approvals to take about 30-90 days. PLUS I have to redo my fire inspection.

Does anyone know if there is any way that they can expedite the process for someone who is already licensed, just need a re-approval of new location?

Anything else I need to know or can do? I don't have an analyst right now, budget cuts and I have only a floater for the last 2.5 years. So I never get the same answer 2 times when I call to talk to a duty officer of the day.

UGH...any input ideas or advice would be great..

[kathiemarie]

I think you have to get re inspected with the fire marshal, you know different house = different problems. I think everything else should move with you. I'm not sure. I know I have been no help... Good luck and I'm sorry you have to go though this.

[daycare]

yeah that is what I understand. I was just wondering if there was any way to by pass any kind of waiting around time so that I don't have to rent two houses for 2 months or risk having to shut down my daycare.

[sharlan]

This is what happened when I moved 8 years ago.

I repeatedly called my analyst and told her we bought a new house. I called her the week before we moved and gave her the move in date and our new phone number and address. Three months later, I get a call, "are you still in business" on our new phone number. She had a fit saying that I was no longer licensed and had to call all the parents right now to pick up the kids. I refused. I had the documentation that I had called and she even had my new phone number. I did my part and it wasn't my fault or my parents' faults that she didn't do her job.

She proceeded to tell me that she had to come out the next day and inspect. Great, see you in the morning. I passed with flying colors.

I would call licensing and tell them that you are moving on such and such a date and will be moving the daycare. Technically, you can't have the daycare at the "old house" once you move to the "new house". Call licensing and let them sort it out.

[ihop]

I won't be much help since I'm in Oregon but here we have to completely close to even be considered in the application process because you cant apply for a license when you are already licensed. Applying and being reinspected takes 2-4weeks here. So I have to close. Notify licensing. Reapply. Be reinspected at the new location. Be approved. Then reopen. In the mean time I am considered unlicensed and can only have three kids.

Sorry. I've been in your situation with the landlord. Its tough but I know you'll work it out.:hug:

[TwinKristi]

From my understanding there isn't much you can do about this process and it DOES take forever. I waited 5 mos from when I personally turned in my application to when I finally got an inspection. I'm in the same boat with no assigned person and just whoever can get to me. If you had an actual assigned analyst who you could go to it would probably be much quicker. And yeah, it ****s having to run two houses, the cost to move alone is crazy but add 2-3 months of two rent payments?? I hope you have a substantial savings to cover it.

[BrooklynM]

What county are you in? If we are in the same county, my inspector is awesome and I could see if he could expedite it for you!

[MarinaVanessa]

Where in CA do you live? Are you just moving from one house to another house in the same city?

Take this with a grain of salt because we all know how licensing in CA works and it all depends on your analyst but from what I understand...

You have to complete a new packet with all of the new information on it and on LIC 279 you mark the "Location Change" box.

You will need to resubmit your original paperwork if requested from your analyst and need a new walk through from licensing as well as a new inspection from a fire marshall. I don't see why that would mean that you don't carry a license once you move. I would email your analyst and give the appropriate 5 days notice (through email or certified letter) once you move. It can take a bit especially since you'll be moving but I don't see why they would make you pay for than a month of doubled up rent to finish this all up.

[MarinaVanessa]

I take that back.

I was looking through old licensing quarterly updates and I found this in 2007's edition:

CHILD CARE LICENSING FEES—CHANGE OF LOCATION

When you are planning to move to a new location, and you receive your annual bill and plan to move shortly, you must still pay the annual fee for your current address.

Here are some tips for ensuring a quicker process for getting your new license when your FCCH moves to a new location.

Prior to moving, notify your local Child Care Regional or County Office and submit an application on the LIC 279 (Application For a FCCH.) Check the box that indicates “Location Change” under #1 on the LIC 279, and complete the rest of the form. Along with the application, submit the LIC 610A (Emergency Disaster Plan For FCCHs) and the LIC 999A (Facility Sketch.) You must also submit a relocation fee of 50% of the application fee - $30 for a capacity of up to eight, and $57.50 for a capacity of up to 14.

If you plan to increase your capacity from 8 to 14, you must pay a total of $55 ($30 for change of location and $25 for increase in capacity) and must also obtain a fire clearance.

Once you change your location, you no longer have a license and cannot operate until your new license is issued. Your LPA will contact you to schedule an appointment for your pre-licensing visit. Once this is done and any deficiencies are corrected, you will receive your new license.

http://ccld.ca.gov/res/pdf/CCUpdate0407.pdf

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So it looks like once you move you lose your license. I would try to overlap one month and keep living in your current address while you set up your new location and once you get your new license then I would start doing DC in that new place. Hopefully it will only be a month.

[daycare]

yes I was told the same thing. I plan to try to keep both places until I can get the new one approved. I am doing all I can to make it all run smoothly, but boy does this stink...

I wish I could buy a house, I just need to start claiming more on my taxes, I am sure a lot of you know how that whole thing goes

[sharlan]

I take that back.

I was looking through old licensing quarterly updates and I found this in 2007's edition:

CHILD CARE LICENSING FEES—CHANGE OF LOCATION

When you are planning to move to a new location, and you receive your annual bill and plan to move shortly, you must still pay the annual fee for your current address.

Here are some tips for ensuring a quicker process for getting your new license when your FCCH moves to a new location.

Prior to moving, notify your local Child Care Regional or County Office and submit an application on the LIC 279 (Application For a FCCH.) Check the box that indicates “Location Change” under #1 on the LIC 279, and complete the rest of the form. Along with the application, submit the LIC 610A (Emergency Disaster Plan For FCCHs) and the LIC 999A (Facility Sketch.) You must also submit a relocation fee of 50% of the application fee - $30 for a capacity of up to eight, and $57.50 for a capacity of up to 14.

If you plan to increase your capacity from 8 to 14, you must pay a total of $55 ($30 for change of location and $25 for increase in capacity) and must also obtain a fire clearance.

Once you change your location, you no longer have a license and cannot operate until your new license is issued. Your LPA will contact you to schedule an appointment for your pre-licensing visit. Once this is done and any deficiencies are corrected, you will receive your new license.

http://ccld.ca.gov/res/pdf/CCUpdate0407.pdf

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So it looks like once you move you lose your license. I would try to overlap one month and keep living in your current address while you set up your new location and once you get your new license then I would start doing DC in that new place. Hopefully it will only be a month.

The catch 22 here is you have to live in the house in which you are doing daycare. Once you move to the new home, you license is invalid. That means that you have to pay rent on a home in which you're not living.

Before you stress yourself out too much, you need to find a new home in which to live. You have to have a concrete address to list on your app. A lot of things can change in two months time.

[daycare]

The catch 22 here is you have to live in the house in which you are doing daycare. Once you move to the new home, you license is invalid. That means that you have to pay rent on a home in which you're not living.

Before you stress yourself out too much, you need to find a new home in which to live. You have to have a concrete address to list on your app. A lot of things can change in two months time.

hahah true that is a good point, so they make it next to impossible to make a smooth transition. Well I guess here is a question, my husband is on my LIC so if he lives in thne new home while I stay in the old one to run daycare, then I move when I get approved, does that count?

[TwinKristi]

hahah true that is a good point, so they make it next to impossible to make a smooth transition. Well I guess here is a question, my husband is on my LIC so if he lives in thne new home while I stay in the old one to run daycare, then I move when I get approved, does that count?

You'd probably need to call to find that out... :confused:

What a headache!!! I heard you're issues a new license number when you move too so that may be why you can't apply for one while operating another?

[daycare]

Update

I thought california was not supposed to be so gray....

So I just got off the phone with LIC, OMG a super nice person I got to talk to as duty officer of the day.

She told me how it works when you move, so yes all that MV said is true. You do have to start the process all over again along with FD inspection first then LIC next.

Sharlan- they told me that I can live in my current home, renting the other one, but I have to have full control of the property in order for them to sign off on it. Name on a lease or title, daycare is set up with running water, elec, air/heat, daycare items etc. They have to have access to the full house. For example I cant tell them sorry you cant go into my garage because I don't have the keys for that or something like that.

I was also told that they are required to expedite daycare transfers. THEN here is the best part they just hired an analyst for my area about 3 months ago, I have never heard from her, but I was given her number and told to call her with all of this.

I was about to cry while on the phone and the lady was so wonderful. Normally when I call the duty officer of the day I get treated like a criminal and they are rude and short with me. So this is good news.....

[TwinKristi]

I thought california was not supposed to be so gray....

So I just got off the phone with LIC, OMG a super nice person I got to talk to as duty officer of the day.

She told me how it works when you move, so yes all that MV said is true. You do have to start the process all over again along with FD inspection first then LIC next.

Sharlan- they told me that I can live in my current home, renting the other one, but I have to have full control of the property in order for them to sign off on it. Name on a lease or title, daycare is set up with running water, elec, air/heat, daycare items etc. They have to have access to the full house. For example I cant tell them sorry you cant go into my garage because I don't have the keys for that or something like that.

I was also told that they are required to expedite daycare transfers. THEN here is the best part they just hired an analyst for my area about 3 months ago, I have never heard from her, but I was given her number and told to call her with all of this.

I was about to cry while on the phone and the lady was so wonderful. Normally when I call the duty officer of the day I get treated like a criminal and they are rude and short with me. So this is good news.....

Do you think you'll have to close for a week or something to get everything moved over and set up??