Important info for CA Providers!

[mom2many]

I read this info on another forum earlier today from another CA provider and thought it was something that needed to be passed on to other providers here in CA... I had not heard anything about this until now!

We need your help getting out the information about DSS/CCLD proposed change in fees and violation fees. The increase will break the bank for most Title 5 and Title 22 centers/FCCH.
Capacity Annual Fee Proposed Type A Violation Citation
FCCH
1-8 $ 66 $330/day
9-14 $ 127 $635/day
Child Care Centers
1-30 $ 220 $1,100/day
31-60 $ 440 $2,200/day
61-75 $ 550 $2,750/day
76-90 $ 660 $3,300/day
91-120 $ 880 $4,400/day
121+ $ 1,100 $5,500/day
Our current annual licensing fees could be up to 5X's higher a year than they are now.
Please pass on through your email blasts and ask for others to also resend to their contacts. We need to have providers present.
We need the bodies at the meeting to show our feelings on the fee increase.
Come to the Capitol on May 1 at 9:30am, Room 4203 (Senate Subcommittee on Health and Human Services, CalWORKs)
Your presence is needed the day before the CQEL Conference at the Capitol. At the last Senate Hearing, the childcare providers were greatly outnumbered by the supporters of universal preschool on public school campuses. The supporters’ line circled the auditorium while the childcare providers had a short line of about 15 people.
• Support Including the current mixed preschool deliver system in the Universal Preschool Bill
• Share impact of licensing fees for violations increasing up to 5x the annual license fee.

[TwinKristi]

:confused: I don't get it. Wasn't it $60 this year to renew? $6/yr is what they're complaining about??

[daycare]

:confused: I don't get it. Wasn't it $60 this year to renew? $6/yr is what they're complaining about??

Mine is 127 year for large so mine would be 635$ that would stink but I still would consider it small peanuts compared to the start up cost and over head of running another business...

[mom2many]

:confused: I don't get it. Wasn't it $60 this year to renew? $6/yr is what they're complaining about??

According to this other provider- They are proposing license fees to increase them to 5x what we currently pay, so they would be $330 a year NOT $60!

In addition to this, fines for violations will also impact providers financially. I understand the benefit the State will get by generating more revenue in this manner.... Just like traffic fines, where the state gets a huge amount of $ collected for these!

However, CA regs are open to TOO MUCH interpretation on the part of individual analysts (ie: which child proof locks should be used to make things "inaccessible", use of different equipment- some providers are told they can use exersaucers & some providers are cited for even having them "stored in off limit" areas...I could go on & on!

I have discussed these discrepancies in depth with the management of the Santa Clara County office & they openly admit that each county within CA cannot agree on what the regs are and that even analysts have their own interpretation on what they are! If I am gonna be fined for not following a reg, then I need to have something in black & white.

[daycare]

I agree about the black and white rule area....It is hard to understand the rules and follow them when you don't know how they are going to be interpreted.

I don't even have and analyst right now, I get a floater, so I just have to call the duty officer of the day. Most of them are very nice some are not. It just upsets me because I don't get to build a relationship with an analyst and they understand me and my program and I know how this person expects things to be. So I just have a grab bag of analyst roll by when needed, WHICH thank goodness I have not had anyone come by..........

[mom2many]

I agree about the black and white rule area....It is hard to understand the rules and follow them when you don't know how they are going to be interpreted.

I don't even have and analyst right now, I get a floater, so I just have to call the duty officer of the day. Most of them are very nice some are not. It just upsets me because I don't get to build a relationship with an analyst and they understand me and my program and I know how this person expects things to be. So I just have a grab bag of analyst roll by when needed, WHICH thank goodness I have not had anyone come by..........

Well, supposedly they just passed legislation in March advocating additionally money to licensing, so that they can begin making "annual" unannounced visits starting immediately...instead of one every 3 years.

I have spoken to other CA providers and they have also been told of this change by either their individual analysts or licensing office.

[MarinaVanessa]

So who does one write to then if they want to complain?

[snbauser]

Mine is 127 year for large so mine would be 635$ that would stink but I still would consider it small peanuts compared to the start up cost and over head of running another business...

I'm not in CA so take this with a grain of salt, but when I read what is listed I don't see where you would pay $635. The $635 is the Proposed Type A Violation Citation fee. Not the annual licensing fee. It's been a while since I was licensed in CA so I don't remember what a "Type A Violation is.

[daycare]

I'm not in CA so take this with a grain of salt, but when I read what is listed I don't see where you would pay $635. The $635 is the Proposed Type A Violation Citation fee. Not the annual licensing fee. It's been a while since I was licensed in CA so I don't remember what a "Type A Violation is.

maybe I misunderstood...

I was talking in regards to this:

Our current annual licensing fees could be up to 5X's higher a year than they are now.

[mom2many]

So who does one write to then if they want to complain?

MV- I will post when I find out! We have asked her to give us the info on the other forum. Many of us cannot take off and physically go to Sacramento! I'm all for writing to the legislators though and will definitely let you know as soon as I find out!

[mom2many]

maybe I misunderstood...

I was talking in regards to this:

Our current annual licensing fees could be up to 5X's higher a year than they are now.

No, you are correct! This is what she was told and confirmed that it would go up 5x more.

The way she posted on the other forum showed $66/$330 day & $127/$636 day...so I don't know if she just meant annual license fees or a violation for having too many kids??? I assumed it was the annual fee. I have never had a violation fee, so I'm clueless now on that part!

Either way though... it sounds like CA is trying to generate income by charging providers more money!

[TwinKristi]

I dunno, the way this looks to me is they're raising the daily fine for operating over your limit or without a license from $300-330 and the annual renewal rate from $60-66? I need to look into this more, doesn't make sense to me that they would raise it to 5x what it currently is.

[mom2many]

I dunno, the way this looks to me is they're raising the daily fine for operating over your limit or without a license from $300-330 and the annual renewal rate from $60-66? I need to look into this more, doesn't make sense to me that they would raise it to 5x what it currently is.

The info I was told is NOT going on yet... It is "proposed" legislation that is being discussed. This is why, we as CA providers need to know about this!

Yes, they have increased annual renewal rates to $66 already. However, I don't know anything about the rates increasing if someone is operating w/o a license.

The individual that posted this info on another forum lives near Sacramento and has been a provider for 44 years...she is highly versed on licensing regs/legislation and I know it might sound outrageous raising the rates 5x...but how else will the state be able to fund and man the star program implementation! From what I'm hearing Ca child care is in store for many drastic changes!

[TwinKristi]

No, you are correct! This is what she was told and confirmed that it would go up 5x more.

The way she posted on the other forum showed $66/$330 day & $127/$636 day...so I don't know if she just meant annual license fees or a violation for having too many kids??? I assumed it was the annual fee. I have never had a violation fee, so I'm clueless now on that part!

Either way though... it sounds like CA is trying to generate income by charging providers more money!

First bolded I addressed above in my other reply. But I was incorrect, it's already $66/yr on the title 22. I swear it was just $60 when I renewed in Dec but maybe I'm wrong.

There is a fine for operating over your ratio (like you have 4 infants instead of 2-3 or 10 kids not 8.) or not having a license and watching more than one family's children. I have never been fined either. I believe it's $100/day for a minimum of 5 days or something? So maybe now it's $330/day for 5 days because people could watch enough kids to make the fine worth while. LOL I'm curious as to what this is all about but obviously our state is trying to generate more revenue. While I don't agree with choosing childcare providers, I don't see a reason they shouldn't increase the FINE for people deliberately breaking the law. Those are the ones I think they should target!

[TwinKristi]

The info I was told is NOT going on yet... It is "proposed" legislation that is being discussed. This is why, we as CA providers need to know about this!

Yes, they have increased annual renewal rates to $66 already. However, I don't know anything about the rates increasing if someone is operating w/o a license.

The individual that posted this info on another forum lives near Sacramento and has been a provider for 44 years...she is highly versed on licensing regs/legislation and I know it might sound outrageous raising the rates 5x...but how else will the state be able to fund and man the star program implementation! From what I'm hearing Ca child care is in store for many drastic changes!

Yeah I could care less about them raising fines TBH. I stay within my ratio so I'm good. As far as $6/yr... I'm not fretting over the 50 cents a month!

And how do states all over the country fund their QRIS or whatever programs? Or the grants they provide when people meet their next level? I don't think their annual fees differ much from ours.

Edited again- I see it says Type A violation fines per day so yeah, that's what they're raising the fine to and I'm all for it! Follow the rules and you're all good and would never have to pay a fine! But it looks like they've already raised our renewal so not sure what there is to complain about?