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  • daycare
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    • Feb 2011
    • 16259

    Suggestions Needed, Can't Use Antibacterial Soap

    I have a dck who has eczema, and parents said that they can no longer use antibacterial soap because it is making it worse.

    They asked me not to use soap at all and I didn't know what to say,so I said i will need to look into this. The child constantly has hands in pants, nose and etc, so hands need to be washed.

    The parents brought me dove soap bar but from what I understand it does not state that it kills germs.

    any suggestions on what I could use to help control germs would be great.
  • Angelsj
    Daycare.com Member
    • Aug 2012
    • 1323

    #2
    Antibacterial soap is only minimally useful at killing germs anyway. Soap's purpose is not to kill germs, but to help the water wash them away from your skin and down the drain.
    The AMA and the FDA have issued statements recommending we do not routinely use antibacterial soaps.

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    • sharlan
      Daycare.com Member
      • May 2011
      • 6067

      #3
      I would use the Dove soap that they provided. You don't need to use antibacterial soap.

      The overuse of antibacterial soaps is causing problems. I just use hand soap most of the time.

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      • JenNJ
        Advanced Daycare.com Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 1212

        #4
        I only use regular hand soap, never antibacterial. I use that only when cooking with raw meats.

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        • Cradle2crayons
          Daycare.com Member
          • Apr 2013
          • 3642

          #5
          Originally posted by daycare
          I have a dck who has eczema, and parents said that they can no longer use antibacterial soap because it is making it worse.

          They asked me not to use soap at all and I didn't know what to say,so I said i will need to look into this. The child constantly has hands in pants, nose and etc, so hands need to be washed.

          The parents brought me dove soap bar but from what I understand it does not state that it kills germs.

          any suggestions on what I could use to help control germs would be great.
          Antibacterial soap really doesn't have a negative effect in eczema... The problem comes in with using water that's too hot and vigorously rubbing them to dry. Also, the soap needs to contain a moisturizer. Also, our dermatologist also says that bar soaps, regardless of the type, are much worse for eczema.

          So I'm not sure who gave mom the advice to stop using antibacterial soaps and use a bar instead went way in the wrong direction.

          Have mom provide some liquid soap with added moisturizers for eczema, use only tepid water, and don't vigorously rub to dry. Simple.

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          • Mom2TLE
            New Daycare.com Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 113

            #6
            I would ask that they provide a liquid hand soap. It doesn't have to be antibacterial but I am sure that bar soap is against licensing standards. Dove has a liquid hand soap.

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            • daycare
              Advanced Daycare.com *********
              • Feb 2011
              • 16259

              #7
              Originally posted by Mom2TLE
              I would ask that they provide a liquid hand soap. It doesn't have to be antibacterial but I am sure that bar soap is against licensing standards. Dove has a liquid hand soap.
              thank you all for the advise. I have been using the bar soap at their request and obviously the issue is still there. I will talk to the DCP about the bar soap and ask that they bring in something with moisture.

              I do put Eurcen cream (sp) on her after washing hands. Not too sure if this is even a good idea as it seems like they would pick up more germs with it.

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              • Blackcat31
                • Oct 2010
                • 36124

                #8
                Originally posted by Cradle2crayons
                Antibacterial soap really doesn't have a negative effect in eczema... The problem comes in with using water that's too hot and vigorously rubbing them to dry. Also, the soap needs to contain a moisturizer. Also, our dermatologist also says that bar soaps, regardless of the type, are much worse for eczema.

                So I'm not sure who gave mom the advice to stop using antibacterial soaps and use a bar instead went way in the wrong direction.

                Have mom provide some liquid soap with added moisturizers for eczema, use only tepid water, and don't vigorously rub to dry. Simple.
                Actually a lot of antibacterial soaps contain triclosan, which causes eczema to go wild..... it burns and itches and weeps....

                Refraining from using antibacterial soaps was HIGHLY recommended by my dermatologist for that reason alone.

                I try to use natural products that contain emollient rich cleansers that moisturize or at the very least don't dry out the skin.

                Dove is a good one.

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                • lovemykidstoo
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 4740

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Blackcat31
                  Actually a lot of antibacterial soaps contain triclosan, which causes eczema to go wild..... it burns and itches and weeps....

                  Refraining from using antibacterial soaps was HIGHLY recommended by my dermatologist for that reason alone.

                  I try to use natural products that contain emollient rich cleansers that moisturize or at the very least don't dry out the skin.

                  Dove is a good one.
                  Most definitely. Google eczema and triclosan and you will see. Eczema is serious and you should honor the parents wishes.

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                  • Cat Herder
                    Advanced Daycare.com Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 13744

                    #10
                    Their dove soap bar would not be allowed here (regs) so a simple liquid hand soap like cetaphil and a light moisturizer like baby aveeno should do the trick.
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                    • lovemykidstoo
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 4740

                      #11
                      This is from the Mayo clinic site. "Despite its soaring popularity, antibacterial soap is no more effective at killing germs than is regular soap. And using antibacterial soap may lead to the development of bacteria that are resistant to the products' antimicrobial agents, making it even harder to kill these germs in the future."

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                      • Cradle2crayons
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 3642

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Cat Herder
                        Their dove soap bar would not be allowed here (regs) so a simple liquid hand soap like cetaphil and a light moisturizer like baby aveeno should do the trick.
                        Yep, there is perfect products there! We use cetaphil. Even our pediatric dermatologist recommended that.

                        As far as dove, our docs all said dove bar is a big no no as is anything bar. Dove free and sensitive is ok but they preferred the liquid variety.

                        As far as the antibacterial part that isn'tthe issue...it's the triclosan and other additives in some soaps.

                        Even without eczema, bar soaps aren't he first choice anyway. They are generally more drying, leave more residue and harbor germs.

                        I don't use antibacterial at all on the kiddos.

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                        • Blackcat31
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 36124

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Cat Herder
                          Their dove soap bar would not be allowed here (regs) so a simple liquid hand soap like cetaphil and a light moisturizer like baby aveeno should do the trick.
                          Cetaphil is gentle but still has triclosan in it.

                          The Aveeno is gentler.

                          I'd personally go with that one.

                          Doesn't make my hands red or itchy.

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                          • Cradle2crayons
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Apr 2013
                            • 3642

                            #14
                            Originally posted by lovemykidstoo
                            Most definitely. Google eczema and triclosan and you will see. Eczema is serious and you should honor the parents wishes.
                            I don't honor parents wishes when it's against what's healthy and in some areas against regs.

                            I would for SURE expect the child's physician to list their recommended products, not necessarily what mom thinks is ok just because.

                            What if mom says use dove bar and it royally messes up the child.

                            As someone smarter than me always says, parents can't give us permission to do the wrong thing. Not that it is the wrong thing... I just won't use bar soap, no matter what. So mom would have to give me other recommendations from a doc

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                            • Cradle2crayons
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 3642

                              #15
                              On the other hand though, in the hospital us workers use emulsion and it seems to actually improve hand eczema but I'm not sure if it can be gotten by the general public....

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