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  • morgan24
    Daycare.com Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 694

    When Your On The Food Program

    Would it be okay to charge someone more because they don't want their child to eat grains or drink cows milk? The way she wants her child to eat will not meet the requirements for the food program and Dcm has been hinting she might want to supply dcgs food. I haven't talked about it with her because I've been thinking about it. I don't really want to have just one bring different food because it causes too many problems. I am tier one and its around $85.00 a month that I get per child.
  • Cradle2crayons
    Daycare.com Member
    • Apr 2013
    • 3642

    #2
    Originally posted by morgan24
    Would it be okay to charge someone more because they don't want their child to eat grains or drink cows milk? The way she wants her child to eat will not meet the requirements for the food program and Dcm has been hinting she might want to supply dcgs food. I haven't talked about it with her because I've been thinking about it. I don't really want to have just one bring different food because it causes too many problems. I am tier one and its around $85.00 a month that I get per child.
    Wait... No grains?? What does she substitute for grains?? I would have mom provide the milk for the child and I would feed all children the same. I will adapt a meal around food intolerances or allergies but I'm not removing a main component without a dr order. And I don't give kids different foods than the others unless here is a dr. Note.

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    • morgan24
      Daycare.com Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 694

      #3
      Originally posted by Cradle2crayons
      Wait... No grains?? What does she substitute for grains?? I would have mom provide the milk for the child and I would feed all children the same. I will adapt a meal around food intolerances or allergies but I'm not removing a main component without a dr order. And I don't give kids different foods than the others unless here is a dr. Note.
      Yep, no grains and the milk will be raw goats milk. She doesn't substitute anything she is choosing not to feed grains to her. She will be a year old in March. I don't want her to bring her own food. If I serve her everything but the grains her meal does not meet the fp requirement. I'm thinking about not claiming her on the fp and having dcm pay me what I lose from not claiming her and not letting her bring in her food. Does that sound fair?

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      • nanglgrl
        Daycare.com Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 1700

        #4
        I'm not sure that the food program would be ok with that. I thought everyone in your daycare has to be enrolled in the food program and they all have to be served the same thing unless there is a medical reason. I know when they do my visits they make sure everyone present is enrolled but it could just be local.

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        • preschoolteacher
          Daycare.com Member
          • Apr 2013
          • 935

          #5
          Originally posted by nanglgrl
          I'm not sure that the food program would be ok with that. I thought everyone in your daycare has to be enrolled in the food program and they all have to be served the same thing unless there is a medical reason. I know when they do my visits they make sure everyone present is enrolled but it could just be local.
          It's national. If you're on the food program, every kid must get the required food or have a doctors note.

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          • morgan24
            Daycare.com Member
            • Feb 2011
            • 694

            #6
            Originally posted by preschoolteacher
            It's national. If you're on the food program, every kid must get the required food or have a doctors note.
            All my years on the food program and I did not know that. This is the first time I have ever had someone who doesn't want to do any type of grains or cows milk as a personal choice. Thanks for the info.

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            • Leanna
              Daycare.com Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 502

              #7
              No grains? Not even whole grains like whole wheat, brown rice, quinoa, etc.? Children are not adults. They need the carbohydrates that are in healthy whole grains for energy and growth.

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              • nanglgrl
                Daycare.com Member
                • Jul 2012
                • 1700

                #8
                I would suggest you call your sponsor. I had a family that was vegetarian for religious reasons and they made an exception. I think that's just because our food program ladies are really nice and understanding though.

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                • CraftyMom
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Jan 2014
                  • 2285

                  #9
                  I'm not sure they HAVE to be on the food program just because you use it. Of course I'm not positive, all my parents like the food program, no one has ever refused.

                  The parents have to sign that they are allowing their child to participate. I think when the food program lady comes she is checking to see that everyone ENROLLED in the program is participating and eating the same meal, and that you are only claiming children that are present (not trying to get paid for kids that aren't there that day)

                  I think if the mom didn't want to participate she doesn't have to. Something to check into. I'm pretty sure the parent has a choice not to enroll and it doesn't affect the rest of your claiming, you just won't get paid for her.

                  Originally posted by preschoolteacher
                  It's national. If you're on the food program, every kid must get the required food or have a doctors note.
                  This is true, but for all children that are enrolled. I don't think they have to enroll, but if they do they get served the same as everyone else. But like I said I never had anyone refuse

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                  • CraftyMom
                    Daycare.com Member
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 2285

                    #10
                    I was very curious in case I ever had this situation come up. Here's what I found:

                    "All children in your care must be offered participation in the CACFP. Non participating children, by parent choice, must complete a Child Enrollment Form. Encourage parents to complete the Voluntary Civil Rights Information."

                    What I get from this is you have to offer it to everyone but they can refuse.

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                    • Mom2TLE
                      New Daycare.com Member
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 113

                      #11
                      I am pretty sure they can sign a refusal to participate in the food program. I would ask your sponsor about charging her for meals though, I would think that you could, if she refuses to be part of the program.

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                      • Cradle2crayons
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 3642

                        #12
                        Is the mom against all carbs or just all grains.

                        I think I would go with the belief that parents don't give me permission to feed the kids unhealthy. I'm sorry but unless a child is allergic or intolerant, they all eat the same. If this parent isn't substituting the grains and milk with other things, the child will be deficient.

                        My program, my meals. I've never heard of a religious reason to not eat grains and cows milk so I would cook this child the same meals and have mom being the milk.

                        I won't have parents send food because most of my parents would send crap food and I'm not serving crap food to one while serving healthy to others.

                        If they were vegetarians or lactose intolerant or kosher that would be one thing... But it sounds like mom is denying this child necessary nutrients like carbs and fat that his child NEEDS in order to grow and thrive. And since mom isn't substituting anything in its place, she is placing this child in danger.

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                        • TwinKristi
                          Family Childcare Provider
                          • Aug 2013
                          • 2390

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Cradle2crayons
                          Is the mom against all carbs or just all grains.

                          I think I would go with the belief that parents don't give me permission to feed the kids unhealthy. I'm sorry but unless a child is allergic or intolerant, they all eat the same. If this parent isn't substituting the grains and milk with other things, the child will be deficient.

                          My program, my meals. I've never heard of a religious reason to not eat grains and cows milk so I would cook this child the same meals and have mom being the milk.

                          I won't have parents send food because most of my parents would send crap food and I'm not serving crap food to one while serving healthy to others.

                          If they were vegetarians or lactose intolerant or kosher that would be one thing... But it sounds like mom is denying this child necessary nutrients like carbs and fat that his child NEEDS in order to grow and thrive. And since mom isn't substituting anything in its place, she is placing this child in danger.
                          First, at less than 1 yr it's really not essential a child has grains. Rice cereal and oatmeal are simply filler. They have no nutritional value in infants. After 1yr I wouldn't really think they're necessary either. Many people eat a gluten free and/or Paleo diet which doesn't eat grains or legumes. Paleo doesn't do dairy either. They drink coconut or almond milk. There has to be some type of substituting but it's with meat, veggies, nuts, etc.

                          As far as food program, you just need to call and ask your rep. I know parents can refuse to participate in the program but if they provide their own food, which would probably be best with an alternate diet, I don't think you can charge extra. I know there's been something mentioned about offering this for free so you can't charge for participating but can you charge for not participating? I really don't know for sure.

                          Personally I would just have mom supply the food. If you find the child's diet to be insufficient than I would tell her so. If she has enough food to keep her satisfied and she's happy and healthy, I don't know what the problem is?

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                          • Cradle2crayons
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Apr 2013
                            • 3642

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TwinKristi
                            First, at less than 1 yr it's really not essential a child has grains. Rice cereal and oatmeal are simply filler. They have no nutritional value in infants. After 1yr I wouldn't really think they're necessary either. Many people eat a gluten free and/or Paleo diet which doesn't eat grains or legumes. Paleo doesn't do dairy either. They drink coconut or almond milk. There has to be some type of substituting but it's with meat, veggies, nuts, etc.

                            As far as food program, you just need to call and ask your rep. I know parents can refuse to participate in the program but if they provide their own food, which would probably be best with an alternate diet, I don't think you can charge extra. I know there's been something mentioned about offering this for free so you can't charge for participating but can you charge for not participating? I really don't know for sure.

                            Personally I would just have mom supply the food. If you find the child's diet to be insufficient than I would tell her so. If she has enough food to keep her satisfied and she's happy and healthy, I don't know what the problem is?
                            Good points but just because you eat gluten free doesn't mean you can't eat grains..Not only that... It's not that he mom doesn't want her to have certain things it's that she also isn't substituting with anything else. That's my issue.

                            And I know some have had good experiences with parents supplying food, however, in my experience, I've had parents send food that was crap and junk and I won't feed that to kids in my care.

                            As far as the op post, my food program here will NOT allow parents to opt out of the program. They wouldn't even let me opt out my OWN children from he program. That and some other stupid inconsistencies is why I'm not and never will be on the food program.

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                            • morgan24
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 694

                              #15
                              I have only asked my FP rep about the goats milk. If it's raw it doesn't count it has to be fortified. I'll call my rep Monday and see if she has to be on it or not.

                              Dcm follows a breast feeding group and she thinks whatever they say is the right way and takes it to the extreme. This is the dcm who wanted me to wear the bags of breast milk in my bra to warm it. She might start grains after 2 she's not sure if she ever will. It comes down to if she supplies the food it causes the others to want what dcg is eating and if I don't claim her I don't get paid. I do the FP for the extra money.

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