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If this was directed at me, the four weeks was until one of the children turned 2. She was no less advanced at that point then she was four weeks later. The number of children was fine. End of discussion for me. Not getting pulled into drama.
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Good for you! I think it is sad that we cannot discuss issues without anonymous insult slinging. There are nice ways to put things and also positive encouragement and offering solutions for following rules would be better than trying to make someone feel bad. WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER LADIES! We are all on the same team! -
While I do agree that there are sometimes nicer ways to get your message across, I don't think being on the same team means supporting someone that broke the law.
Even if it was only for an hour or for 4 weeks. If the OP was out of compliance/ratios, then there is a consequence.
Some providers feel VERY strongly about those providers that try to "slip on by" or sneak under the radar or even ones who break the law unknowingly because some states require providers to jump through hoops to even be licensed.
We've had this discussion before.
It's one thing to be rude and offensive to a poster, which is uncalled for, but the support here isn't unconditional and automatic simply because we area all providers. kwim?Comment
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I don't think we should support rule breaking but we can support each other. Positive encouragement and brain storming ideas to avoid being over would be better than name-calling.Comment
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I didn't read any name calling. :confused:
Unregistered gave her opinion. She wasn't rude in anything she said.
The only statement she made that I can see being potentially "dramatic" was saying she didn't think OP should be watching kids. That's her opinion. I don't think it was rude.Comment
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The one thing that was stressed when I was going through licensing was don't go over the 2 under 2 ratio because you will never win in court. I know of someone who, by doing some favors for some friends was over ratio, and just happened to be visited by licensing that day. It has become a complete nightmare & headache for her, between costs & court....I don't know if she will continue with daycare to not.Comment
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I have never gone over ratio. Simply not worth it. When two kids share a spot (one AM and one PM) I put in my contract that if the AM person is late picking-up it results in immediate termination. I will not have my license put in jeopardy because someone didn't plan ahead!Comment
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This is why I have 12 only (my limit) and each pays the same full-time rate, regardless 52 weeks a year. Although I have several parents that only use three days, the rate stays the same. Right now, this works for me and I am thankful. After all, FCC is my livelihood and my family depends on it.
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My biggest beef with providers who knowingly break regs is that often they believe they are doing someone a "favor" or they are under the mistaken impression that the parents are their "boss" and can give them permission to do the wrong thing. It makes it harder for providers who know better to run their business and stay in business. If Provider A is willing to break regs to please parents, provider B doesn't stand a chance.
I've often gotten the impression from parents that I take myself too seriously (because after all, I'm the "sitter"
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Stepping off my soap box:
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Yep rules are rules and we have to follow them I had a child with special needs he was at a 15 month level when he turned two. Rep said use your best judgement but it the rule he counts as over 2 just like the 22 month that is advanced counts as under two.It:
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I have to say that I agree with those that were saying you should never be out of ratio, especially knowingly out of ratio. I understand that you might feel capable of handling the age and number of children but the state says no. We all have to follow the rules.
Just like driving. My husband used to think he could drive however he wanted because he can drive anything on wheels, is very experienced and thought that made it okay to break the rules. But the speed limit is there to control drivers as a whole, not individual drivers who individually could go faster and still be in control. The speed limit isn't something to attack an individual driver, but to safely control the population as a whole. Same thing with our daycares....we make rules based on the group, not personalized rules for each family.
Your state says this child has to be 2. There is nothing that you can say that will convince me to support you in knowingly breaking a rule. Sometimes the rules are a pain and totally inconvenient, but that is the way things are. We don't give our kids permission to break rules at school and daycare because they are an exception for X reason, do we?? I hope not. There have been several things at my daughers' school where I know THEY can handle themselves outside that rule but I still insist the rule be followed at school because it is a school rule. My kids are not special snowflakes that get exceptions because one of them may happen to be smarter, more responsible or more capable about a particular activity.Comment
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I wouldn't ever go out of ratio because it'd kill me... here's how our ratio chart is set up in Kansas:
0 - Newborn to 18 months; 3 - 18 month to 5 years; 3 - 5 years to 11 years = License Capacity of 10
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1 - Newborn to 18 months; 5 - 18 months to 5 years; 4 - 5 years to 11 years = License Capacity of 10
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2 - Newborn to 18 months; 4 - 18 months to 5 years; 3 - 5 years to 11 years = License Capacity of 9
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3 - Newborn to 18 months; 3 - 18 months to 5 years; 2 - 5 years to 11 years = License Capacity of 8
In any of those scenarios, I'd go crazy being out of ratio. I tend to stick with the bottom two ratios. I would NEVER want more than 3 infants and I would NEVER want more than 1-2 toddler/preschoolers along with infants.
ETA: My little "chart" I made isn't coming out right, but oh well.Comment
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I was over on the "under 15 months" ratio once, TOTALLY accidentally.
I was working with an assistant at the time. We had a total of 8 kids (of the 10 I am licensed for) when I had a drop in inspection. I thought FOR SURE everything was fine- but I had one kid's birthday wrong. If I'd remembered the right date I never would have taken a drop in infant, who wasn't scheduled to be there that day normally. I had misremembered the toddler's birthday by 2 days, so he was 2 days shy of 15 mos, putting us at 4 kids under 15 mos when we were allowed 3.
I got in a lot of trouble. Had to go meet with my licensor and her supervisor and they read me the riot act. If I'm EVER found out of ratio or over numbers again I lose my license, period. TOTALLY not worth it.
I was pretty upset because it was an honest mistake, one I would NOT have done on purpose. They made this huge deal about how I was endangering the kids, because he was 2 days shy of 15 mos. I could have understood it much better if I had 4 newborns, but one kid 2 days shy of being a toddler instead of an infant (and he walked at 9 mos so not like he wasn't walking!) and threatening to pull my license seemed a bit over the top.
I make VERY sure I'm within ratio and have all the birthdays on my calendar now!Comment
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