Taking a 9 Month Old Outside and Other Vents!

[TheGoodLife]

So my DCM that didn't thank me for my after hours childcare last night came today and said her and her husband have been looking for a winter coat but can't find one that would fit. Then said she didn't want him out under 32degrees. OK... I already told DCD that I'd keep him inside in a pack n play with toys since we usually go out before lunch and he's not napping at that time. "Oh, he's not going to like that!" No, probably not but I'm not going to keep all my other kids inside (unhappy) just to keep yours entertained! Either he comes ready to bundle up outside or he stays in by himself in a safe contained manner! My DC is in my walk-out basement and I can see the pack n play from our patio. (Being license exempt I can do this, as long as I am keeping the kids safe)
This is my family who also brings him every day, all day even though DCD works weekends most of the time and has days off during the week. Originally contracted to 3:30 but never picks up until 4:30 (we did change the contract, but still- I know he is at home and could pick up at 3:30). DCM brings at 7:00 on the days DCD is home even though I was told 7:00 was just when he was at work. I only have them and my 1 PT girl so I can't afford to term yet, but hoping to find another family and term sometime soon- I have it in my contract that I am here for families while they work or go to school, so working every day when he's home is just not for me. I'd rather work 5 days for someone who is working those 5 days! (I know that is not what a lot of people feel, but it makes me feel unappreciated... maybe consider giving me a day off just once?!)
OK, vent over!

[lovemykidstoo]

I have a 7/8 month old right now and they never bring a coat either. Actually at that age, you need a 1 pc snowsuit. That works best. I just wrap him in 2-3 blankets and have him in the stroller. 2-3 blankets is just as good as a snowsuit or coat. Babies love the fresh air, I would take him out.

[TheGoodLife]

I have a 7/8 month old right now and they never bring a coat either. Actually at that age, you need a 1 pc snowsuit. That works best. I just wrap him in 2-3 blankets and have him in the stroller. 2-3 blankets is just as good as a snowsuit or coat. Babies love the fresh air, I would take him out.

That's what I told them, but DCM said she doesn't want him out unless its 32 or higher. So I either leave him to cry in the pack n play or take him against their wishes . I don't like either but until I can afford to term those are my options!

[lovemykidstoo]

That's what I told them, but DCM said she doesn't want him out unless its 32 or higher. So I either leave him to cry in the pack n play or take him against their wishes . I don't like either but until I can afford to term those are my options!

I'd take him out and wouldn't tell her. Seriously, if the temp isn't harmful to him, just do it. You have to do what works for you.

Shoot, here in Michigan, the child wouldn't go out all winter if we had to wait until 32 haha

[TheGoodLife]

I'd take him out and wouldn't tell her. Seriously, if the temp isn't harmful to him, just do it. You have to do what works for you.

Shoot, here in Michigan, the child wouldn't go out all winter if we had to wait until 32 haha

We're in NE, and there will be few days that reach 32 here as well!

[lovemykidstoo]

We're in NE, and there will be few days that reach 32 here as well!

So the mom is not bringing a coat/snowsuit because she thinks that way she's controlling what you can do. What the heck is she afraid of? Like you're going to allow the baby to get frostbite. ya right. Tell her to get over it. Fresh air is good for babies. Here we are required to take them out daily unless the temp is extremely low.

[Angelsj]

I'd take him out and wouldn't tell her. Seriously, if the temp isn't harmful to him, just do it. You have to do what works for you.

Shoot, here in Michigan, the child wouldn't go out all winter if we had to wait until 32 haha

I wouldn't hide this info at all from them. I would just tell them no. "Sorry, but going outside is part of the program. We WILL be going outside. You can bring him appropriate clothing to do so, or take him back home with you today." Refuse care until you have what you need to do what you are going to do. I would never lie to a DCP.

[LaLa1923]

she can't tell you what to do in your own business!!

https://www.daycare.com/news/daycare_and_weather.html

[AnneCordelia]

The Day Nurseries Act in Ontario requires two hours of outdoor time too, and I quote that to parents. 32* is still relatively warm, and kids generate heat while playing,

[lovemykidstoo]

I wouldn't hide this info at all from them. I would just tell them no. "Sorry, but going outside is part of the program. We WILL be going outside. You can bring him appropriate clothing to do so, or take him back home with you today." Refuse care until you have what you need to do what you are going to do. I would never lie to a DCP.

Well, I guess it depends on how the conversation goes. Is mom asking every day when she picks up if her son went outside? I don't tell my parents when they pick up, oh we went outside today. If they ask, I tell them, but I don't go through every event of the day. So, guess it's not really lieing if she isn't asking ya know? I would take him out and if she asks then just say, yes, they all go out, it's not fair for the other kids to have to stay in.

Mama2Bella, what did she say when you told her that it's not fair to keep the other kids in? You did say that she said that the dcb wouldn't like being in the pack n play while the others were out, what was her other suggestion?

[lovemykidstoo]

I wouldn't hide this info at all from them. I would just tell them no. "Sorry, but going outside is part of the program. We WILL be going outside. You can bring him appropriate clothing to do so, or take him back home with you today." Refuse care until you have what you need to do what you are going to do. I would never lie to a DCP.

I should clarify. I would not "lie" to a dcp, but like I wrote just above, when she picks up I just wouldn't go through every single thing I did during the day. If she point blank asks, then of course you have to tell her and explain your rules. When my dcp's pickup, I don't say oh we painted, we played with trains, we went outside, we ate etc. I don't go over what we did during the day including going outside unless they specifically wanted to know something. Hope that clears it up. I would not lie if asked though.

[Unregistered]

So the mom is not bringing a coat/snowsuit because she thinks that way she's controlling what you can do. What the heck is she afraid of? Like you're going to allow the baby to get frostbite. ya right. Tell her to get over it. Fresh air is good for babies. Here we are required to take them out daily unless the temp is extremely low.

Agree.


I would explain that per regulations,children must go out and she needs to make sure he has what he needs. It's not negotiable because that's what the regs stay.Tell her that if temps are below freezing, you will use YOUR best judgment. She's always afforded the option of staying home, but YOU have to go outside for at least a few mins at a time.

[TheGoodLife]

The Day Nurseries Act in Ontario requires two hours of outdoor time too, and I quote that to parents. 32* is still relatively warm, and kids generate heat while playing,

I agree! She just said that if he was old enough to walk it would be different, but she doesn't want him just sitting outside since he's 9 months.

I did tell her we will be going outside- she knows I'm not going to stay inside just because he's not gong out. I want to tell her he needs to go out with us or be picked up, I just can't afford the term at this moment. I see her reasoning on one hand, but if she would bring the proper attire he could come out and stay warm. This isn't CA where people are not used to the cold I did look up my state's licensing regulations to see if there was anything that could back me up, but I couldn't find anything about temperatures or even going outside on a regular basis. So it's just up to me!

Today was 3 degrees and we stayed out for 30 minutes- the kids would've done longer but I decided it was time for hot chocolate (He slept in the pack n play- probably not helpful since he's not sleeping through the night at all and she complains about it, but hey- I can't control what he does in there while we're outside!)

[TheGoodLife]

Agree.


I would explain that per regulations,children must go out and she needs to make sure he has what he needs. It's not negotiable because that's what the regs stay.Tell her that if temps are below freezing, you will use YOUR best judgment. She's always afforded the option of staying home, but YOU have to go outside for at least a few mins at a time.

I was hoping our regulations stated something about outside requirements, but they don't here So I dan't have that to fall back on. It's not going to really affect me- I'm going out with everyone else regardless! One less child to bundle up I guess.

[TheGoodLife]

Just thought I'd share our fun snow angels we made today! (If this works- have never uploaded pics here before!)