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    When And Why Would You Report A Parent? Is This Neglect - Long

    I am a newer provider and I am not sure if my hopes for parents are just too high.

    I have a DCM who works nights. I watch DCGs 3 and 5 starting at 9:30PM straight through until 2:30PM the following day.

    My concerns with these girls are numerous. A doctor actually reported them yesterday because the younger one has had both her bottom front teeth knocked out. DCM says children and youth services called her, she explained the girl knocked them out on cement, they called and verified with a previous doctor that DCM reported it a year ago and ended the situation there. Phone interview only.

    DCM has picked the younger one up under the influence of marijuana. I had a friend stop by around the same time and we had to febreeze the house when she left it was so strong. Her car is filled with cigarette butts and the kids constantly smell like smoke so I am positive that was not it.

    The younger child had what appeared to be a cigarette burn on her foot. Also, they regularly have bruises but not always in the same spot. My concern is less that someone is physically abusing them and more that they aren't being supervised. Older daughter has a large bruise on her hip. When my boyfriend asked her she said it was from her underwear. When I asked her, she told me she fell into a heater by her bed. When I asked where DCM was she said sleeping. The girls have shown up completely covered in marker. I am talking head to toe, on the clothes, under the clothes, everywhere. When I asked them who was watching them they tell me mom was sleeping.

    The girls are similar heights but the younger one actually weighs more. She constantly comes in too small clothes. Usually around the 24 month range but I have seen smaller. I have to squeeze her into her pants and her stomach hangs out of her shirts. The first night they arrived after interviewing, they bedding and jackets were so dirty that I washed them before I could even let them use them. I described the bedding to my boyfriend by phone as, you could not wash our kids sheets for probably 2 years and they wouldn't have that kind of grime on them, and when he saw them he said that was an accurate description.

    Both girls were still on sippy cups when they started a month ago. Older one still has frequent accidents at school and the younger one had never started potty training. I have started working on the potty training now. They don't so much talk as whine so I have to ask them to repeat many times and sometimes still can't understand even the 5 year old so getting a full story on anything really doesn't work. They often don't want to go home, throwing fits and crying even though we aren't doing anything too entertaining at the time. I asked older one why and after process of elimination, she likes mom, she likes mom's boyfriend, but her younger sister hurts her. I don't see that behavior so I kind of doubt it. Neither one is really aggressive or anything. They are very uncoordinated kids like I have never seen before but because of that they don't do stairs or try to step out of my van without waiting for me to help them, so I doubt they are supermanning it off furniture at home causing the bruises.

    The girls also smell pretty bad. We check them when they come in because you can smell them several feet away and in the past we have found that 3 year old has dried poop on back and back of shirt yet her diaper was changed or the older one has dried poop bits in her underwear that have clearly been there a while but they also smell even when we can find no immediately cause other than lack of bathing. It often appears like DCM has dumped a dresser of unrelated clothes into their bag the first day of the week and doesn't take out dirty ones or put in new ones when the bag goes home daily.

    DCM definitely loves DCGs but is it neglect?
  • Heidi
    Daycare.com Member
    • Sep 2011
    • 7121

    #2
    Yes...

    Mom sounds like she's not entirely equipped. I don't know what kinds of resources your CPS has, if they can do anything, but it is definitely worthy of a phone call.

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    • SilverSabre25
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 7585

      #3
      My instincts say report.
      Hee hee! Look, I have a signature!

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      • Cradle2crayons
        Daycare.com Member
        • Apr 2013
        • 3642

        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered
        I am a newer provider and I am not sure if my hopes for parents are just too high.

        I have a DCM who works nights. I watch DCGs 3 and 5 starting at 9:30PM straight through until 2:30PM the following day.

        My concerns with these girls are numerous. A doctor actually reported them yesterday because the younger one has had both her bottom front teeth knocked out. DCM says children and youth services called her, she explained the girl knocked them out on cement, they called and verified with a previous doctor that DCM reported it a year ago and ended the situation there. Phone interview only.

        DCM has picked the younger one up under the influence of marijuana. I had a friend stop by around the same time and we had to febreeze the house when she left it was so strong. Her car is filled with cigarette butts and the kids constantly smell like smoke so I am positive that was not it.

        first off, I have it in my handbook that if they arrive under e influence of anything I will call the next person on their pick up list and explain why they need to pick up. If there isn't anyone who can pick up, I call 911 and CPS. But regardless, I never ever allow a child to leave my house with a parent who is under e influence.

        The younger child had what appeared to be a cigarette burn on her foot. Also, they regularly have bruises but not always in the same spot. My concern is less that someone is physically abusing them and more that they aren't being supervised. Older daughter has a large bruise on her hip. When my boyfriend asked her she said it was from her underwear. When I asked her, she told me she fell into a heater by her bed. When I asked where DCM was she said sleeping. The girls have shown up completely covered in marker. I am talking head to toe, on the clothes, under the clothes, everywhere. When I asked them who was watching them they tell me mom was sleeping.

        this IS neglect and should be reported IMMEDIATELY before the children start a fire or are killed

        The girls are similar heights but the younger one actually weighs more. She constantly comes in too small clothes. Usually around the 24 month range but I have seen smaller. I have to squeeze her into her pants and her stomach hangs out of her shirts. The first night they arrived after interviewing, they bedding and jackets were so dirty that I washed them before I could even let them use them. I described the bedding to my boyfriend by phone as, you could not wash our kids sheets for probably 2 years and they wouldn't have that kind of grime on them, and when he saw them he said that was an accurate description.

        while still neglect, that alone may not be a reason to report.

        Both girls were still on sippy cups when they started a month ago. Older one still has frequent accidents at school and the younger one had never started potty training. I have started working on the potty training now. They don't so much talk as whine so I have to ask them to repeat many times and sometimes still can't understand even the 5 year old so getting a full story on anything really doesn't work. They often don't want to go home, throwing fits and crying even though we aren't doing anything too entertaining at the time. I asked older one why and after process of elimination, she likes mom, she likes mom's boyfriend, but her younger sister hurts her. I don't see that behavior so I kind of doubt it. Neither one is really aggressive or anything. They are very uncoordinated kids like I have never seen before but because of that they don't do stairs or try to step out of my van without waiting for me to help them, so I doubt they are supermanning it off furniture at home causing the bruises.

        The girls also smell pretty bad. We check them when they come in because you can smell them several feet away and in the past we have found that 3 year old has dried poop on back and back of shirt yet her diaper was changed or the older one has dried poop bits in her underwear that have clearly been there a while but they also smell even when we can find no immediately cause other than lack of bathing. It often appears like DCM has dumped a dresser of unrelated clothes into their bag the first day of the week and doesn't take out dirty ones or put in new ones when the bag goes home daily.

        also clearly neglect and that is a hygiene and safety issue
        DCM definitely loves DCGs but is it neglect?
        I answered everything bolder above. I would absolutely call and report. IMMEDIATELY. What happens if moms asleep and e children start a house fire. Or find a gun and shoot themselves, or drink cleaner??

        Most of the time when a child is harmed, there are warning signs. But nobody reports and the kids die. It's sad. B we have to stand up for their safety.

        And love has nothing to do with it..l don't get me started on parents who "love their kids more than anything" yet put their life in danger every day.

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        • daycare
          Advanced Daycare.com *********
          • Feb 2011
          • 16259

          #5
          when in doubt, report

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          • CedarCreek
            Advanced Daycare.com Member
            • Jan 2013
            • 1600

            #6
            Yes, please report as soon as you can. The girls deserve to have someone stick up for them. They can't do it themselves.

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            • Unregistered

              #7
              Thanks for the help. I will report in the morning since they will be with me overnight and all day anyway. I was expecting the issues I would encounter to be clear cut. The first family I was referred in August sent me 4 of their 5 kids and a couple of them ended up telling me their father had thrown a beer bottle at them. That was reported and it turned out they had already been in foster care and returned and they were removed again. Just seemed too soon to see anything for a second time.

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              • Heidi
                Daycare.com Member
                • Sep 2011
                • 7121

                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered
                Thanks for the help. I will report in the morning since they will be with me overnight and all day anyway. I was expecting the issues I would encounter to be clear cut. The first family I was referred in August sent me 4 of their 5 kids and a couple of them ended up telling me their father had thrown a beer bottle at them. That was reported and it turned out they had already been in foster care and returned and they were removed again. Just seemed too soon to see anything for a second time.

                Yeah, you would think...

                I hope it's better from here!

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                • Mister Sir Husband
                  cook, cleaner, bug killer
                  • May 2013
                  • 306

                  #9
                  I didn't even have to finish reading your post and decided that I would report it. I wouldn't worry about having doubts about if you should or not. When I took my classes to become certified (in NY here) I was told that reporting it didn't mean an absolute visit from dss or that they would lose their kids. A phone call to report possible neglect will put you in contact with a professional that will take your information, ask you questions, and work with you to help him decide if there is even a case that needs to be investigated. I was told if unsure to go ahead and make the call.
                  Chief cook, bottle washer & spider killer...

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                  • TwinKristi
                    Family Childcare Provider
                    • Aug 2013
                    • 2390

                    #10
                    ^^ it will most likely result in a visit, but rarely are kids removed from their parents and usually it's warranted if that happens. I wouldn't hesitate to report if I suspect neglect.

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                    • dbslas
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Jun 2013
                      • 62

                      #11
                      Definitely report. Not only will it give you peace of mind that you did the right thing based on what you observe in the children, but if the children are being abused and/or neglected - then you have just provided them the voice they don't have to get help.

                      Just curious about the eldest child since she is in school if the child's teacher has reported anything.

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                      • missy
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 176

                        #12
                        I am curious, how many nights a week do you have them? That's an awfully long time to have kids in daycare!

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                        • Familycare71
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 1716

                          #13
                          I would definitely report-
                          :hug: to you! It is a tough spot to be in!!

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                          • Luna
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 790

                            #14
                            Originally posted by missy
                            I am curious, how many nights a week do you have them? That's an awfully long time to have kids in daycare!
                            My guess would be that the parent works graveyard shift. Children dropped at daycare ready for bed, and the parent needs to get some sleep after their shift so children stay at daycare for a large part of the following day. I worked that shift as a single parent and daycare arrangements are very difficult.

                            I agree with others, report!

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                            • Unregistered

                              #15
                              I have never actually spoken to the older ones teacher. I only drop off and I let her out at the curb and watch her walk right up a sidewalk to the door which the schools prefer here for independence. DCM picks her up. I do know they worked with her as far as teaching her hand signals for when she needs to go to the bathroom because they assumed she was shy and was having multiple accidents a day. I also know that when they came here the mother had never opened her backpack before because every single paper, permission slip, project, from the entire year was in there and I eventually emptied it because the girl is so small that she couldn't carry it to get up the steps at school

                              and to Missy, I sadly have these kids 6 nights a week. The only night they currently do not sleep here is Sunday night so they are at home with her from 2:30 Sunday afternoon to 9:30 Monday night. It is a very long time to be away and the mother told me she volunteered for this shift. Hopefully she will be back to days after the new year. The only reason I keep them that many hours is that they are on assistance and the state pays a majority of her daycare. Because her shift ends at 6:30AM they pay for another shift after she gets off so that she can sleep.

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