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  • TomCopeland
    Business Author/Trainer
    • Jun 2010
    • 3062

    #46
    Food Program

    Originally posted by EAP
    Can I ask how you keep your records for taxes? I would love to drop the food program but thought I needed to keep the meal count to report on my taxes?

    ETA: if I have to keep a record anyway similar to the records needed for the food program I might as well get paid for it. Is there a standard deduction I can take instead or do I need and actual meal log (outside of my attendance records). (I can't remember how it was claimed on my taxes, I was on the food program last year and I am on it currently).
    If you are not on the Food Program you must still keep a record of the number of meals and snacks you serve, but not a record of what you served. You can still use the standard meal allowance rule to deduct food expenses.
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    • AngiesCareXYZ
      Daycare.com Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 30

      #47
      The Food Program

      I have been using the food program for a yr. At 1st I was like...WHAT!? I have to do all THIS!!??? OMGosh!
      Then I started doing it. I found a great ...awesome website...da da da called http://www.supercook.com/
      When you 1st do it...it takes some time. But in the end you have a site that has all of your food ingredients that you contain in your kitchen. So when you feel like chicken tonight but you have no idea what to cook, this handy dandy site shows you what you can make right now with the ingredients that you have. :: LOOOVE IT! Then I also bought for $4 an app that gives me dinners that follow the food program. That's called My Family Meal Planner.
      I also do a lot of crock pot cooking! And the kids get to make their own pizzas on Fridays. They get to make 1 snack each week. And I have my assistants cook too.
      In the beginning....when I first started the daycare, I was so broke! It's crazy to look back on that time and see how we were living. To make the $ stretch farther I would do shopping at the Dollar Store. Now I shop at Walmart and but mostly Great Value products. The quality is good and the price is sooo worth it! Just steer clear of the frozen broccoli. Mostly hard non edible stems.
      I hope that you feel better and just remember that tomorrow is another day! happyface

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      • Familycare71
        Daycare.com Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 1716

        #48
        Originally posted by TomCopeland
        If you are not on the Food Program you must still keep a record of the number of meals and snacks you serve, but not a record of what you served. You can still use the standard meal allowance rule to deduct food expenses.
        I have an attendance book and keep a tally from that to track how many meals and snacks I serve. If you want you can use the reimbursements as income and still deduct your meals at the standard allowance incase you would get more that way. For me I get more off of my taxes with the standard deduction than I did from my reimbursements so it was an unneeded step that just caused me more work.
        AND you don't have to do all the components- I still serve healthy meals but I don't miss racking my brain to figure out what that second veg or fruit would be at lunch

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        • Memc2001
          New Daycare.com Member
          • Jul 2013
          • 92

          #49
          I know it is some work but to be honest the food program is what makes being licensed worth it. With 7 full-timers and 11-13 after school for snack I am getting between $850-$950 per month. This more than pays for the food I am providing. If I was a smaller group, I don't know if it would be worth the effort.

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          • NeedaVaca
            Daycare.com Member
            • Mar 2012
            • 2276

            #50
            She may have a small group but she also mentioned in another post that her rating system is 5 tier and she can only get to tier 2 unless she goes on the food program. She also mentioned when she told her families that one DCM asked her 15 times if she was serious because DCM was so excited about it. Those are pretty good reasons to participate.

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            • Brooksie
              Daycare.com Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 1315

              #51
              Originally posted by NeedaVaca
              She may have a small group but she also mentioned in another post that her rating system is 5 tier and she can only get to tier 2 unless she goes on the food program. She also mentioned when she told her families that one DCM asked her 15 times if she was serious because DCM was so excited about it. Those are pretty good reasons to participate.
              Tier 3 is what I need the food program for. Yes my parents were excited but like I posted previously, about 2 weeks ago my fridge went out and we lost all of our food. It just went out again 2 days ago and lost everything we replaced. Our landlord just brought us a new fridge yesterday but we have no money to fill it and definitely no money to invest in the food program this month. All my families have understood and said it was no biggie. I did tell them that I was still planning on joining the program its just not feasible this month and of course with the holidays coming up its even worse. On top of Christmas I have DDs Bday, DBFs Bday, My aunt, my dad and my nephew. I have nothing extra. I'll try again in January or Feb. Its not necessary for me to advance that far through the system immediately any way as they just started it and I'm only 1 of 4 participating in my county. Already looks good.

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              • My3cents
                Daycare.com Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 3387

                #52
                Originally posted by Memc2001
                I know it is some work but to be honest the food program is what makes being licensed worth it. With 7 full-timers and 11-13 after school for snack I am getting between $850-$950 per month. This more than pays for the food I am providing. If I was a smaller group, I don't know if it would be worth the effort.
                I am small, but full timers and it is worth it to me!

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                • My3cents
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 3387

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Brooksie
                  Tier 3 is what I need the food program for. Yes my parents were excited but like I posted previously, about 2 weeks ago my fridge went out and we lost all of our food. It just went out again 2 days ago and lost everything we replaced. Our landlord just brought us a new fridge yesterday but we have no money to fill it and definitely no money to invest in the food program this month. All my families have understood and said it was no biggie. I did tell them that I was still planning on joining the program its just not feasible this month and of course with the holidays coming up its even worse. On top of Christmas I have DDs Bday, DBFs Bday, My aunt, my dad and my nephew. I have nothing extra. I'll try again in January or Feb. Its not necessary for me to advance that far through the system immediately any way as they just started it and I'm only 1 of 4 participating in my county. Already looks good.
                  unless your kids are bringing their own meals it is totally worth it, your serving them anyway. If you have a wonderful Food Program Coordinator they are going to help you get on your way and succeed at it.

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                  • Blackcat31
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 36124

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Brooksie
                    Tier 3 is what I need the food program for. Yes my parents were excited but like I posted previously, about 2 weeks ago my fridge went out and we lost all of our food. It just went out again 2 days ago and lost everything we replaced. Our landlord just brought us a new fridge yesterday but we have no money to fill it and definitely no money to invest in the food program this month. All my families have understood and said it was no biggie. I did tell them that I was still planning on joining the program its just not feasible this month and of course with the holidays coming up its even worse. On top of Christmas I have DDs Bday, DBFs Bday, My aunt, my dad and my nephew. I have nothing extra. I'll try again in January or Feb. Its not necessary for me to advance that far through the system immediately any way as they just started it and I'm only 1 of 4 participating in my county. Already looks good.
                    If you have renter's insurance, you should be able to claim the loss of food from your fridge malfunctioning.

                    I'd check with your renter's policy.

                    Also, this is just my opinion but if I was in such financial stress, I certainly wouldn't be out buying gifts for anyone's birthday. The people with birthdays coming up are adults and probably understand that you can't afford to buy them gifts and your DD is young enough that I'm sure putting food on the table far outweighs a birthday gift/party.
                    Last edited by Blackcat31; 10-24-2013, 12:13 PM.

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                    • Brooksie
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 1315

                      #55
                      Originally posted by My3cents
                      unless your kids are bringing their own meals it is totally worth it, your serving them anyway. If you have a wonderful Food Program Coordinator they are going to help you get on your way and succeed at it.
                      Every one packs. I've said it before in this post. Obviously if I were feeding them I would be on the food program.

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                      • Brooksie
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 1315

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Blackcat31
                        If you have renter's insurance, you should be able to claim the loss of food from your fridge malfunctioning.

                        I'd check with your renter's policy.

                        Also, this is just my opinion but if I was in such financial stress, I certainly wouldn't be out buying gifts for anyone's birthday. The people with birthdays coming up are adults and probably understand that you can't afford to buy them gifts and your DD is young enough that I'm sure putting food on the table far outweighs a birthday gift/party.
                        Unless it was a poser outage it is not covered. We can put food on our table but we aren't stocked up and I'm certainly not going to stress about feeding kids that aren't mine. Yea I'll be reimbursed but that doesn't help me right now. I have other things to worry about right now.

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                        • craftymissbeth
                          Legally Unlicensed
                          • May 2012
                          • 2385

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Brooksie
                          Tier 3 is what I need the food program for. Yes my parents were excited but like I posted previously, about 2 weeks ago my fridge went out and we lost all of our food. It just went out again 2 days ago and lost everything we replaced. Our landlord just brought us a new fridge yesterday but we have no money to fill it and definitely no money to invest in the food program this month. All my families have understood and said it was no biggie. I did tell them that I was still planning on joining the program its just not feasible this month and of course with the holidays coming up its even worse. On top of Christmas I have DDs Bday, DBFs Bday, My aunt, my dad and my nephew. I have nothing extra. I'll try again in January or Feb. Its not necessary for me to advance that far through the system immediately any way as they just started it and I'm only 1 of 4 participating in my county. Already looks good.
                          Oh wow the fridge situation has got to be stressful! Have you tried to see if your landlord would help pay for part of what was lost in both outages? I don't know if any laws would apply but it was his equipment that failed not once but twice and maybe he's kindhearted enough to help? :hug:

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                          • Blackcat31
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 36124

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Brooksie
                            Unless it was a poser outage it is not covered. We can put food on our table but we aren't stocked up and I'm certainly not going to stress about feeding kids that aren't mine. Yea I'll be reimbursed but that doesn't help me right now. I have other things to worry about right now.
                            You should really double check your insurance policy. My SIL is an agent and she said 99% of renter insurance policies cover food loss for appliance failures when the appliance is included in the rental unit.

                            Originally posted by Brooksie
                            Tier 3 is what I need the food program for. Yes my parents were excited but like I posted previously, about 2 weeks ago my fridge went out and we lost all of our food. It just went out again 2 days ago and lost everything we replaced. Our landlord just brought us a new fridge yesterday but we have no money to fill it and definitely no money to invest in the food program this month.

                            Most tenant/landlord laws state that if your landlord KNEW about the problems with the fridge (even if he fixed it) and it happens again causing the tenant loss, HE is responsible for replacement costs of the tenant's loss.

                            You stated above that it went out once and then again 2 weeks later.

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                            • Brooksie
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 1315

                              #59
                              Originally posted by craftymissbeth
                              Oh wow the fridge situation has got to be stressful! Have you tried to see if your landlord would help pay for part of what was lost in both outages? I don't know if any laws would apply but it was his equipment that failed not once but twice and maybe he's kindhearted enough to help? :hug:
                              No. I mentioned the amount of money we had lost and he flipped out. I didn't even ask him for anything. He complained about paying the water bills (which I pay... ) and the fact that we just had a clogged main drain and he had to pay the plumber $660.00. I also had to close for that problem since sewage was spilling into my basement and nothing could go down any drain until it was fixed. We are about ready to end our lease with this guy. We are into the first year of 3 year lease. When he complained about everything and got attitude with me I was pissed. We pay 1500.00 a month in rent and pay all the utilities. If there is a problem we expect it to be fixed without complaint...

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                              • Willow
                                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                                • May 2012
                                • 2683

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Brooksie
                                Unless it was a poser outage it is not covered. We can put food on our table but we aren't stocked up and I'm certainly not going to stress about feeding kids that aren't mine. Yea I'll be reimbursed but that doesn't help me right now. I have other things to worry about right now.
                                I'd put the breaks on the dog training, and any other extras for right now.

                                That'll give you the time and the funds to continue the food program, which will ultimately put some much needed additional income in your pocket.


                                The suggestions of getting help from county assistence programs and your local food banks are good ones too. That's exactly what they're there for, to help in temporary financial crunches.

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