Immunization Problem

[Cradle2crayons]

That is simply patently untrue. Directly from the CDC website:
Common substances found in vaccines include:

Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.

See also: "Aluminum in Vaccines: What you should know"External Web Site Policy Adobe Acrobat print-friendly PDF file [ 579KB / 2 pages] Also available in SpanishExternal Web Site Policy Adobe Acrobat print-friendly PDF file [579KB / 2 pages]
Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.
Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.
Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.
Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.
Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

CDC - Understanding Vaccines and Vaccine Safety - Conversations with Parents - Vaccines. (2013) Retrieved from http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/pati...etysheets.html

EXACTLY.

Also, if y get your flu vaccine and/or ANY vaccine that is in a regular syringe and needle (aka the nurse drew it up out of a multi dose vial) then chances are it contains thimerosal.

If the vaccine is in one of those single use per packaged needles, it generally doesn't contain thimerosal.

Other that thimerosal, aluminum is the main worry in vaccines.

Ad honestly, not to start a flaming scene, but of COURSE the manufacturing companies and the government don't want people to ever find research that proves that shots cause issues. Then it would start a riot.

But, as a mom who watched her child, 5 days after her MMR vax, develop constant seizures and then later develop symptoms of several abbreviated diagnoses, I can't help but think that SOMETHING just wasn't quite right when it came to that shot she got. And I've read literally THOUSANDS of reports of children having the same reaction to the MMR vax. The reports are ASTOUNDING and are all word for word what happened to us.

The funny thing is that before my child was born, as a nurse, I constantly told people those reports were erroneous and false. A load of junk. Not possibly true.

It's funny how things seem unreal.... Until they become very REAL.

Rant over....

[MarinaVanessa]

That is simply patently untrue. Directly from the CDC website:
Common substances found in vaccines include:

Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.

See also: "Aluminum in Vaccines: What you should know"External Web Site Policy Adobe Acrobat print-friendly PDF file [ 579KB / 2 pages] Also available in SpanishExternal Web Site Policy Adobe Acrobat print-friendly PDF file [579KB / 2 pages]
Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.
Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.
Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.
Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.
Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

CDC - Understanding Vaccines and Vaccine Safety - Conversations with Parents - Vaccines. (2013) Retrieved from http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/pati...etysheets.html

I didn't go into detail with that because I think that I needed to (and I was typing one handed ) but I'll clarify now. Yes vaccines have chemicals in them that, like many other things, if taken in large amounts can be unsafe.

Let's use radiation as an example. Most organic materials naturally have radiation, that's a fact. Bananas were used as an example to create a scale so that we could better understand what levels of radiation were okay to be exposed to and when it was dangerous (Banana Equivalent Dose, BED). Just like chemicals in vaccinations some levels aren't harmful. Just like I can eat a banana without fear of getting sick from radiation but wouldn't hang out around a nuclear waste dump I can get vaccinated with aluminum in it and it won't effect me but I would go out and drink a vat of melted aluminum KWIM? It all depends on the quantity.

I think it's safe to say that vaccines don't cause other things (again, other than allergic reactions to those that are allergic) because even children that aren't vaccinated die of SIDS and get arthritis, multiple sclerosis, autism etc. But because there are many people out there that do not believe that they are safe states allow parents the choice to opt not to get them.

Oh and I messed up, instead of "thermosal" it should be spelled thimerosal. I have to look further into this part because I got my info from my college course book and from my college class (that referenced it from Child Health Alert, 2009; Gerber & Offit, 2009). I will definitely bring this discrepancy up in class tonight and come back to update.

[MarinaVanessa]

Okay nevermind, I figured out the part about thimerosal not being in vaccines. This ingredient being used as a preservative is not used in children's vaccinations except in some flu vaccines. Here's what I found from reading Understanding Thimerosal, Mercury, and Vaccine Safety (found in Angelsj's link):

Why was thimerosal removed from vaccines given to children?

In 1999, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was required by law to assess the amount of mercury in all the products the agency oversees, not just vaccines. The U.S. Public Health Service decided that as much mercury as possible should be removed from vaccines, and thimerosal was the only source of mercury in vaccines. Even though there was no evidence that thimerosal in vaccines was dangerous, the decision to remove it was a made as a precautionary measure to decrease overall exposure to mercury among young infants.

This decision was possible because childhood vaccines could be reformulated to leave out thimerosal without threatening their safety, effectiveness, and purity.

Today, no childhood vaccine used in the U.S.—except some formulations of flu vaccine in multi-dose vials—use thimerosal as a preservative.

[Angelsj]

I didn't go into detail with that because I think that I needed to (and I was typing one handed ) but I'll clarify now. Yes vaccines have chemicals in them that, like many other things, if taken in large amounts can be unsafe.

Let's use radiation as an example. Most organic materials naturally have radiation, that's a fact. Bananas were used as an example to create a scale so that we could better understand what levels of radiation were okay to be exposed to and when it was dangerous (Banana Equivalent Dose, BED). Just like chemicals in vaccinations some levels aren't harmful. Just like I can eat a banana without fear of getting sick from radiation but wouldn't hang out around a nuclear waste dump I can get vaccinated with aluminum in it and it won't effect me but I would go out and drink a vat of melted aluminum KWIM? It all depends on the quantity.

I think it's safe to say that vaccines don't cause other things (again, other than allergic reactions to those that are allergic) because even children that aren't vaccinated die of SIDS and get arthritis, multiple sclerosis, autism etc. But because there are many people out there that do not believe that they are safe states allow parents the choice to opt not to get them.

Oh and I messed up, instead of "thermosal" it should be spelled thimerosal. I have to look further into this part because I got my info from my college course book and from my college class (that referenced it from Child Health Alert, 2009; Gerber & Offit, 2009). I will definitely bring this discrepancy up in class tonight and come back to update.

First part: Who are we trusting to decide what is too much? And what if too much for YOUR 2 month old is not the same as what is too much for MY 2 month old? And at what point does this become a true issue? 2 vaccines, 10 vaccines, or the 30 plus we are now expected to give our children under the age of two?

Second part: That does not follow logically. Many illnesses and other issues can have multiple causes. Claiming that X cannot cause a disease because people who did not do X also have that disease is flawed logic.
Being without oxygen for five minutes cannot cause brain damage, because genetic flaws cause brain damage, or head trauma causes brain damage.
Regardless of your OPINION on whether vaccines can cause harm outside of allergies, your logic is not correct. However, VAERS has thousands of reports each year that contradict that opinion greatly.
There is a lot of money out there to be had by convincing the public that vaccines are safe and effective and that anyone who feels differently is a nutjob. That scenario has been played out throughout history.

Look up Ignaz Semmelweis. He was laughed out the medical community for YEARS, and all he wanted was for doctors to wash their hands.

[TwinKristi]

First part: Who are we trusting to decide what is too much? And what if too much for YOUR 2 month old is not the same as what is too much for MY 2 month old? And at what point does this become a true issue? 2 vaccines, 10 vaccines, or the 30 plus we are now expected to give our children under the age of two?

Second part: That does not follow logically. Many illnesses and other issues can have multiple causes. Claiming that X cannot cause a disease because people who did not do X also have that disease is flawed logic.
Being without oxygen for five minutes cannot cause brain damage, because genetic flaws cause brain damage, or head trauma causes brain damage.
Regardless of your OPINION on whether vaccines can cause harm outside of allergies, your logic is not correct. However, VAERS has thousands of reports each year that contradict that opinion greatly.
There is a lot of money out there to be had by convincing the public that vaccines are safe and effective and that anyone who feels differently is a nutjob. That scenario has been played out throughout history.

Look up Ignaz Semmelweis. He was laughed out the medical community for YEARS, and all he wanted was for doctors to wash their hands.

[craftymissbeth]

Here's an interesting fact to share with your prego mommies. Only 76% of young children have received all of the recommended age appropriate vaccinations. That means that 1 in 4 children in the country are not vaccinated or fully vaccinated.

On another note, there are a lot of people that still believe that vaccinations can cause SIDS, arthritis, multiple sclerosis and autism but so far there has been no scientific proof that vaccinations can lead to any of these. Vaccine makers don't make vaccines with harmful chemicals anymore (like thermisol).

Also, the child that has more of a chance to contract an immunizable disease is an un-immunized child. If I have been immunized and I come into contact with let's say the mumps then I may not get sick but I can still be a carrier and pass it on to another child. A child that I come in contact with that has not been immunized for it can then get sick even if I don't show any symptoms because my body is immune. Also vaccinations don't always work for everybody but can at minimum lessen the symptoms (unless of course you are allergic).

If the preggo mommies get their babies vaccinated on time and they are still worried for their infants they can always call their local health department to check to see if there are any reported cases of whatever communicable disease their infant still has not been immunized for and maybe even push their work return until their infants are 2 months old and have received the first round of immunizations (HepB, RV, DTaP, Hib, PCV and IPV).

Is there scientific proof that it doesn't cause any of those?

Definitely not debating and my family is fully immunized despite our concerns with my son being a preemie and my nephew passing away from SIDS two days after his immunizations. My son was fine, but where is the proof that immunizations don't cause things like SIDS? There will always be that question in the back of my mind.

[Familycare71]

Mom knows because the two of them are friends outside of daycare.

Then will the kids get together outside of daycare???
I think you should let her figure it out...

[blessed mom]

Then will the kids get together outside of daycare???
I think you should let her figure it out...

Well the older kids do get together on occasion but I think that will be a lot less with the new baby. I'm going to let her figure it out. She knows the situation. She has to go back to work asap...single mom on disability...she's struggling.

The second baby coming in the spring will have much more time off. Baby will be about three months before coming here. I guess I need to contact licensing to determine if I have to notify parents.

Thanks everyone!

[Angelsj]

Mumps is the least effective immunization available. It is estimated that less than 40% of people FULLY vaccinated for mumps are NOT immune. For some reason they have not completely studied or figured out, mumps just very often doesn't take.

Just reread that. It is effective in less than 40% of people.

[LaLa1923]

I think you are actually in agreement with BC

You're right! My brain didn't read what she wrote correctly.

I'm sorry bc!!