Daycare Shut Down After Infant Death

[Cradle2crayons]

LOL! I googled "Bendryl before vaccines" and all I got was tons of dog forums saying that it helps ease the anxiety and possible allergic reactions dogs commonly have before immunizations... ::

It might be a Mississippi thing but it sounds as though it's a canine thing too!

Yep, we give it in dogs and cats actually

[Scout]

Why give the kids in your care benedryl? So they sleep better?? I would never give benedryl to a baby! I can't even give it my ds(27 mos) yet because he doesn't weigh enough. How terrible.

[countrymom]

I was wondering something. How come the parent wasn't investigated. Think about it, the baby gets dropped off already fussy and cranky, there had to be some sort of convo between the parent and the provider. Maybe the parent was at the breaking point and shook the baby or over medicated the baby before hand, but how would you prove it.

yes, the provider had alot of flaws, but I think that maybe something happened prior the child being dropped off and now the provider is left trying to make sense of it all.

[Unregistered]

I was wondering something. How come the parent wasn't investigated. Think about it, the baby gets dropped off already fussy and cranky, there had to be some sort of convo between the parent and the provider. Maybe the parent was at the breaking point and shook the baby or over medicated the baby before hand, but how would you prove it.

yes, the provider had alot of flaws, but I think that maybe something happened prior the child being dropped off and now the provider is left trying to make sense of it all.

Why? because we as providers are always the first ones to blame, and have the finger pointed at.

[Maria2013]

I was wondering something. How come the parent wasn't investigated. Think about it, the baby gets dropped off already fussy and cranky, there had to be some sort of convo between the parent and the provider. Maybe the parent was at the breaking point and shook the baby or over medicated the baby before hand, but how would you prove it.

yes, the provider had alot of flaws, but I think that maybe something happened prior the child being dropped off and now the provider is left trying to make sense of it all.

was thinking the same thing

also if Benadryl stays in hair follicles, could it be that some how accumulates in the body and eventually just has too much? and those kids tested positive for Benadryl but who's to say when and where they got it

[LaLa1923]

I have a question!!! I really don't understand why a provider would give a child medicine when there's no form and communication from the parent.

But why benyadryl?? I don't get it!

[Willow]

LOL! I googled "Bendryl before vaccines" and all I got was tons of dog forums saying that it helps ease the anxiety and possible allergic reactions dogs commonly have before immunizations... ::

It might be a Mississippi thing but it sounds as though it's a canine thing too!

According to my vets and the reseach I've personally done, giving a dog Benadryl pre-vaccination is pretty ill advised as well as being counter productive. One of my dogs gets a giant dose of of dexamethasone before his vaccines only because he's severely allergic to the preservatives in them....but like the active ingredient in Benadryl it's an immunosuppressant.....which can to an extent, if not entirely, lessen the efficacy of the vaccination.

Same goes for children. Giving them Benadryl beforehand could almost completely defeat the purpose of giving the shots at all.

I think it's entirely overused and abused by many people on a daily basis. I'd go so far as to agree with Nan that they, along with childrens anti-inflammitories, should become monitored prescrption medications just like cold remedies with pseudoepedrine in them are. People
today are a combination of overly paranoid (using them for everything), overly confident (thinking they are doctors capable of self diagnosis and treatment) or are just plain stupid, not taking the time to research and administer them properly.

Living beings are dying everyday. It's a freaking epidemic.

It is NOT well enough studied for use as a sedative in ANY circumstance, doc advised or not.

[Blackcat31]

According to my vets and the reseach I've personally done, giving a dog Benadryl pre-vaccination is pretty ill advised as well as being counter productive. One of my dogs gets a giant dose of of dexamethasone before his vaccines only because he's severely allergic to the preservatives in them....but like the active ingredient in Benadryl it's an immunosuppressant.....which can to an extent, if not entirely, lessen the efficacy of the vaccination.

Same goes for children. Giving them Benadryl beforehand could almost completely defeat the purpose of giving the shots at all.

I think it's entirely overused and abused by many people on a daily basis. I'd go so far as to agree with Nan that they, along with childrens anti-inflammitories, should become monitored prescrption medications just like cold remedies with pseudoepedrine in them are. People
today are a combination of overly paranoid (using them for everything), overly confident (thinking they are doctors capable of self diagnosis and treatment) or are just plain stupid, not taking the time to research and administer them properly.

Living beings are dying everyday. It's a freaking epidemic.

It is NOT well enough studied for use as a sedative in ANY circumstance, doc advised or not.

I had never heard of the Benedryl thing for dogs either until I googled Bendryl and immunizations....that's all the popped up, one dog forum after another about giving it to dogs.. :confused:

I can't say I'd be willing to give it my dog or cat.

I don't dispense meds here in care but I will allow a parent to give their child something for pain, (for teething etc) PROVIDED they let me know before dropping off and they fill out a form stating why they gave it, when they gave it and who dispensed it.

Had a DCM yesterday bring her (newly turned) 3 yr old in and ask for the med log. I asked why and she said she gave her Benedryl because she seemed a little stuff and had a slight cough.

I told her Benedryl is NOT for kids under 6. Mom says "Well, I know that. That's why I only gave "M" half a dose."

Worst part is DCM is in nursing school for her RN.... she should KNOW better than to simply assume cutting a dose in half is appropriate.

I sent DCM and DCK home. I am NOT willing to care for a child given a dose of anything NOT for them.

DCM tried to tell me Dr said it was ok. When I asked when and to bring proof,...DCM says "Well.... a while ago my nephew's Dr said to do that and he is the same age."

I was NOT a happy camper and told DCM I was going to document this conversation and that in the future if I became aware of this, I would report her.

[Willow]

I had never heard of the Benedryl thing for dogs either until I googled Bendryl and immunizations....that's all the popped up, one dog forum after another about giving it to dogs.. :confused:

I can't say I'd be willing to give it my dog or cat.

I don't dispense meds here in care but I will allow a parent to give their child something for pain, (for teething etc) PROVIDED they let me know before dropping off and they fill out a form stating why they gave it, when they gave it and who dispensed it.

Had a DCM yesterday bring her (newly turned) 3 yr old in and ask for the med log. I asked why and she said she gave her Benedryl because she seemed a little stuff and had a slight cough.

I told her Benedryl is NOT for kids under 6. Mom says "Well, I know that. That's why I only gave "M" half a dose."

Worst part is DCM is in nursing school for her RN.... she should KNOW better than to simply assume cutting a dose in half is appropriate.

I sent DCM and DCK home. I am NOT willing to care for a child given a dose of anything NOTfor them.

DCM tried to tell me Dr said it was ok. When I asked when and to bring proof,...DCM says "Well.... a while ago my nephew's Dr said to do that and he is the same age."

I was NOT a happy camper and told DCM I was going to document this conversation and
that in the future if I became aware of this, I would report her.

Holy crap!!!!!!!

See now a situation like that i could totally see a provider getting nailed with if something happened to the child......just yikes!!!

[Angelsj]

I doubt everyone (doctors) are caught up just yet, but latest research has found no benefit and possible overdosing with the Tylenol before shots, and it is being discontinued. Well, UNrecommended.

Never heard of Benedryl for shots though..odd.

[nannyde]

I have a question!!! I really don't understand why a provider would give a child medicine when there's no form and communication from the parent.

But why benyadryl?? I don't get it!

Knocks them out.

[Angelsj]

Why give the kids in your care benedryl? So they sleep better?? I would never give benedryl to a baby! I can't even give it my ds(27 mos) yet because he doesn't weigh enough. How terrible.

I haven't followed this thread enough yet to know who you are talking to here, but I just went this round. Of course, we don't use it daily, but it is sometimes necessary.
One of my DCBs was stung by 20-25 wasps recently (at home, not here) and for a day or two after he came back, he had regular Benedryl. I have it here because the doc wants him to have an immediate dose for the remainder of the year if he is stung by even one insect.

I also have a little girl that will occasionally, for some unknown (yet) reason, suddenly develop hives. We keep some here to dose her immediately if needed. We have used it once in the last year.

[JoseyJo]

Knocks them out.

My thought also So sad that some people (families and providers) would rather drug their children instead of using a good sleep routine!

We have a dcb5 here whose mom gives him melatonin (without dr's permission, since she doesn't want to look like a "bad mom" for asking!) to try to get him to go to sleep. She stays in his room and continuously tells him "go to sleep, go to sleep" and wonders why he wont. All the while he is surrounded with a million toys, primary colors everywhere, computer, tv, ipad, video games etc in his bed room.

We have another who often gives dcb4 benydrl because he is cranky and she knows he needs to go to bed early but wont.

Both boys sleep just fine for us.

[JoseyJo]

I haven't followed this thread enough yet to know who you are talking to here, but I just went this round. Of course, we don't use it daily, but it is sometimes necessary.
One of my DCBs was stung by 20-25 wasps recently (at home, not here) and for a day or two after he came back, he had regular Benedryl. I have it here because the doc wants him to have an immediate dose for the remainder of the year if he is stung by even one insect.

I also have a little girl that will occasionally, for some unknown (yet) reason, suddenly develop hives. We keep some here to dose her immediately if needed. We have used it once in the last year.

Nothing wrong with anti-histamines! My 14 yo breaks out with huge hives (quarter and 1/2 dollar size) around horses, some dogs, latex, perfume, some laundry soap, some deodorant, etc, etc. Just bad when people are using them improperly

[Unregistered]

My thought also So sad that some people (families and providers) would rather drug their children instead of using a good sleep routine!

We have a dcb5 here whose mom gives him melatonin (without dr's permission, since she doesn't want to look like a "bad mom" for asking!) to try to get him to go to sleep. She stays in his room and continuously tells him "go to sleep, go to sleep" and wonders why he wont. All the while he is surrounded with a million toys, primary colors everywhere, computer, tv, ipad, video games etc in his bed room.

We have another who often gives dcb4 benydrl because he is cranky and she knows he needs to go to bed early but wont.

Both boys sleep just fine for us.

Melatonin is dangerous, especially at a young age. People under 25 taking melatonin on a regular basis will actually stop producing melatonin by their self. So they then have to take it to go to sleep. I would bring it up to the mom and have her talk to her doctor.