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  • Christina72684
    Daycare.com Member
    • May 2011
    • 414

    WWYD? Please Help :(

    Here's the back story.....we have this DCM is pretty far behind on her tuition. She gets CCDF (or goverment funding, whatever your state calls it) and it's 70% of what everyone else pays, so her co-pay is 30%. She sometimes pays it but most of the time doesn't. The daughter's dad is a dead beat, not around, has been arrested, and doesn't pay child support so she's doing it on her own. We have been very patient and haven't said anything to her about keeping up with her co-pay because she's a young mom who is trying to make it.

    So, my mom and I own 2 daycares and we have 2 PT workers. Worker #1 just told us that Worker #2 was talking to that DCM a few mornings ago. Not sure what brought this up, or the whole conversation, but the DCM told Worker #2 that she feels like she shouldn't have to pay the co-pay but we are already getting enough money from CCDF and she can't catch up with what she owes so she shouldn't have to pay it at all. If that wasn't enough to make me pretty mad, then a little while later Worker #2 says that the mom also told Worker #1 that she feels like her daughter should have already moved up to our preschool (different building) and doesn't know why she hasn't yet. Our handbook says that the child must be 3 years old, fully potty trained, follows directions, etc. Her daughter won't be 3 until the end of November and is just now fully potty trained. She listens a little but I can barely understand a word that comes out of her mouth.

    So.....WWYD? Would you confront the mom now, making it obvious that she talked to Worker #1? Would you ask Worker #1 why she didn't come to us with this information? (Keep in mind she told Worker #2 to not tell us, for some reason) Would you tell DCM that until she gets caught up her daughter isn't moving to the preschool? We are low on kids right now and threatening to have her removed would really just hurt us more than anything. We actually recently lost some kids and are just making enough to cover bills and expenses and are no longer receiving paychecks (my mom and I, not our workers). Oh, and the DCG has recently been wearing new clothes (not sure who bought them) and my mom thinks she saw a new tattoo on the DCM. And when we go on our field trip in 2 weeks should we let them go? It's included in their supply fee, but if she hasn't caught up on her tution then she hasn't paid her supply fee. I know she'll say she can pay for it separate, but if that's the case then she should be paying us tuition instead.

    We just want to make sure we go about this the right way since it's a delicate situation and we are low on kids. If she was just a little behind or only owed like $10 a week I wouldn't be as worried. But we have bills to pay and she's pretty far behind. We actually just took a DCD to small claims court for owing the same amount she owes (he took his kids out of DC so he could try to catch up on what he owes and then never paid us). But he just filed bankrupcy so we won't be getting that money

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated! We are still new (2 yrs old) and got a lot of learning to do. Needless to say, no other DC families owe us money, thank goodess!!!
  • cara041083
    Daycare.com Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 567

    #2
    I wouldn't say anything about what the workers said. I would just sit her down with a statement of what is due and give her a due date to have it paid. Then I would make the some sort of comment regarding moving up. Kind of like " We need to work on getting her to follow directions better so when she turns 3 she can move up since she will be of age for that class" something like that.

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    • se7en
      Daycare.com Member
      • Aug 2013
      • 59

      #3
      That is really a good way to get bad information. Just because someone said that someone said, it doesn't give you the entire conversation that went on. What you should say to worker# 1 is " unless the mom tells me herself, I don`t change the way things are". What you are being told is 3rd hand information, it means nothing.

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      • nanglgrl
        Daycare.com Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 1700

        #4
        I would set up a payment plan with mom to get her caught up. If she refuses to pay refuse care. I would also call whomever runs the childcare assistance program in your state and find out what the consequences are for parents who don't pay their copay. In some states they will take away all of their assistance until they pay it. If that's the case tell her providers who accept assistance need to report if the copay is unpaid, that its part of their contract with the state and that if its unpaid the parent loses assistance. if she asks you not to teport say its not an option because they check your records or some other bull. she probably wont even wuestion it. I understand you need the money but I wouldn't let her get further behind.
        Single mom? No child support? Boo freakin who. I was there once as were a ton of other people and its not an excuse. The state says she can pay 30% because they looked at her income and expenses and determined that's what she could afford. In my state they must have pretty high guidelines because all of my state pay clients afford a lot of extras and most have little to no copay.

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        • Leigh
          Daycare.com Member
          • Apr 2013
          • 3814

          #5
          What would I do? I would give DCM until Monday at open of business to come up with what she owes or I would terminate care. I would also inform DCM that until she pays me, she will be unable to receive assistance from the state (in my state, at least, they will cut her off of her child care assistance until she pays me-she can't just jump to another provider without paying). No way would I have let this go on so long.

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          • MyAngels
            Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 4217

            #6
            Originally posted by nanglgrl
            I would set up a payment plan with mom to get her caught up. If she refuses to pay refuse care. I would also call whomever runs the childcare assistance program in your state and find out what the consequences are for parents who don't pay their copay. In some states they will take away all of their assistance until they pay it. If that's the case tell her providers who accept assistance need to report if the copay is unpaid, that its part of their contract with the state and that if its unpaid the parent loses assistance. if she asks you not to teport say its not an option because they check your records or some other bull. she probably wont even wuestion it. I understand you need the money but I wouldn't let her get further behind.
            Single mom? No child support? Boo freakin who. I was there once as were a ton of other people and its not an excuse. The state says she can pay 30% because they looked at her income and expenses and determined that's what she could afford. In my state they must have pretty high guidelines because all of my state pay clients afford a lot of extras and most have little to no copay.
            What she said, plus I'd tell dcm that she must begin paying the co-pay that's currently due each week, plus an extra $10, $20, $30, whatever amount you determine so that she can get caught up on the past due balance.

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            • momofboys
              Advanced Daycare Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 2560

              #7
              I guess I am confused as to why she is allowed to attend at all if her payment is not current. Do you not have a policy that requires this? I am sorry you are going through this.

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              • countrymom
                Daycare.com Member
                • Aug 2010
                • 4874

                #8
                no pay no play. Her situation should not matter, her problems should not be your problems. Does she care that you can't pay your daycare bills because she hasn't payed you, nope she probably even sleeps good at night.

                I agree with the above poster who said to sit with her on monday, hand her a reciept and a date. Make her pay.

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                • TwinKristi
                  Family Childcare Provider
                  • Aug 2013
                  • 2390

                  #9
                  Some funding programs say it's up to the center/provider to work out the co-pay with the parents and some DO waive it. I was told it was up to me if I accepted a co-pay but some groups fund a percentage so she pays 25% they pay 75%, etc. Some pay it all up to the going rate for your area and the parents are responsible for your overage. Some providers just say forget it and are happy to have the spot filled and a guaranteed payment every month. Ya know?
                  Anyway, I would terminate over something like that if you actually want her to pay it. She's justifying not paying it for other reasons, not saying "I really can't afford it and wish I could pay it but I wouldn't have gas for work or lights this month" ... She's saying she doesn't think she should pay it. Way lame and totally rude.

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