Unlicensed vs. Illegal...Mods?

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  • Leanna
    Daycare.com Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 502

    #16
    Originally posted by Blackcat31
    It just bolds itself... LOL! :: YAH!!
    LOL...and it's not even Monday! ::

    How many daycare providers does it take to make a list...

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    • Sunchimes
      Daycare.com Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 1847

      #17
      Texas

      Listed-This is legally unlicensed sort of. You have an official business number and adults must have a background check, but you are never inspected unless there is a complaint. You can have 3 unrelated children. You can have up to 12 if 9 are related. Related includes children, grandchildren, great grands, nieces, nephews, and I believe, cousins. You are not allowed to have state subsidized kids or participate in the food program.

      Registered-You can have 6 children plus 6 school agers, never to exceed 12 including your own.

      Licensed. Like registered but there is more leeway in the ages I think.

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      • TheGoodLife
        Home Daycare Provider
        • Feb 2012
        • 1372

        #18
        Nebraska

        In Nebraska, we can watch up to 3 children at one time, not including our own children.

        Must be licensed for 4+, and then you must include your own children in the count.

        (Ooops, sorry I didn't write it in caps!)

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        • TwinKristi
          Family Childcare Provider
          • Aug 2013
          • 2390

          #19
          California

          Originally posted by Margarete
          California you have to be licensed to run a small family child care (up to 8 kids, with 2 SA), or large with one assistant, up to 14 kids.

          Exemptions include: watching one family of children in addition to family members; Running a 4 hour a week program, Co-op childcare arrangements where no money is exchanged. You could technically be over the ratio generally allowed if you are "legally exempt/ unlicensed".

          So 10 family members, or co-op would be okay, but 2 children from 2 different unrelated families needs to be licensed. It's interesting how different the rules vary from state to state.
          Just quoting what someone else said!
          I'm a licensed provider!

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          • Heidi
            Daycare.com Member
            • Sep 2011
            • 7121

            #20
            Wisconsin

            May legally care for up to 3 unrelated children under the age of 7 without any regulation. There is no regulation for children OVER 7.

            Certified is regulated care for up to 3 children under the age of 7, plus 3 additional children over age 7.

            Licensed family is up to 8 children, any age, INCLUDING the provider's own children under age 7. So, if you have a 2 yo and a 7 yo yourself, the 2 yo counts in your numbers, but the 7 yo doesn't. You neighbors 7 yo, however, does.

            Licensed centers are 8+ kids.

            Churches that also have a SCHOOL can have a daycare without licensing of any kind. They are then licensing exempt. If they do not have a grade school, they must be licensed.

            There are ratios to maintain within each regulation based on how many children are under age 2.

            No single provider may care for children for more than 16 hours per day, and only 12 of those may be licensed care. So, if one wanted to provide 24 hour care, a second provider must be AWAKE all night. And, they WILL come check...

            One must be regulated (certified or licensed) to accept state funded children.

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            • AcornMama
              Daycare.com Member
              • Jun 2013
              • 283

              #21
              North carolina

              Straight from the state's website:

              "If you are caring for more than two children who aren't related to you for more than four hours a day, you might need to be licensed. If you do not meet any of the exemption scenarios provided below, then you need to apply for a license. The exemptions are:"

              It then goes on to explain exemptions are for situations like Vacation Bible School, activities like music lessons or dance or sports, drop in care at places like malls, stuff like that.

              So, essentially, you have to be licensed to care for more than two kids who aren't related to you for more than four hours/day (which means you could run a preschool for 3-4 hours and not be licensed, which I thought about doing, but insurance plus just making it profitable on paper was getting difficult).

              There's also a detail somewhere that states that if all of the children are related, then licensed care is not required. For example, a parent of six kids could hire a babysitter without worrying about licensing issues, but I can't remember where I read that.

              In our state there is no "registered" or "listed" status. Just straight to licensed for more than 2 kids. Oh, and our own preschoolers count in our number of children allowed, but SA's don't.

              A FCCH can have up to 5 preschoolers and 3 SA's. There's also a "center in a residence" status that is between FCCH and center which allows for more children (12 I think). But you have to have an assistant and there are many more regulations, almost like a regular center.

              I think I might want to move to Virginia now.

              Someone from NC doing this longer than me may have better information. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
              Last edited by AcornMama; 09-24-2013, 03:29 PM. Reason: Added information about provider's own children.

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              • littlemissmuffet
                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 2194

                #22
                I think this idea would be much easier...

                How about if in our heading with our name, location, join date, post count, etc we can state what type of childcare we are - legally unlicensed, licensed, center, etc.

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                • Laurel
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 3218

                  #23
                  Originally posted by littlemissmuffet
                  I think this idea would be much easier...

                  How about if in our heading with our name, location, join date, post count, etc we can state what type of childcare we are - legally unlicensed, licensed, center, etc.


                  Plus in our state, different counties have different rules. I think Florida has some basic rules for everyone but not even sure about that. I just know the rules for my county. I have to be licensed. Some counties don't.

                  Laurel

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                  • JoseyJo
                    Group DCP in Kansas
                    • Apr 2013
                    • 964

                    #24
                    Kansas

                    Licensing for home-based day care IS NOT required as follows: When child care is provided for not more than two children unrelated to the provider for 20 hours a week or less and the home has not been closed as a result of enforcement action. Total time is determined by adding the hours each child is cared for weekly."

                    Limits for Family Daycare Home License (1 Provider) -
                    10 (7 18 mo to 5 years, 3 school aged) OR
                    10 (1 under 18 mo, 5 18 mo to 5 years, 4 SA) OR
                    9 (2 under 18 mo, 4 18 mo to 5 years, 3 SA OR
                    8 (3 under 18 mo, 3 18 mo to 5 years, 2 SA

                    Group Daycare Home License (1 Provider present)

                    9 (2 1/2 to 11 years) OR
                    10 (3 to 11 years) OR
                    12 (5 to 11 years)

                    Group Daycare Home License (2 Providers present)
                    12 ( 1 under 18 mo, 8 18 mo to 5 years, 3 SA) OR
                    12 ( 2 under 18 mo, 7 18 mo to 5 years, 3 SA) OR
                    12 (3 under 18 mo, 6 18 mo to 5 years, 3 SA) OR
                    10 (4 under 18 mo, 6 18 mo to 5 years, 2 SA OR
                    12 ( 5 18 mo to 2 1/2, 7 2 1/2 to 11)


                    *older age groups can be subbed for lower age groups (can have 10 SA for example)

                    *Children over 11 but under 18 count as SA if care exceeds 3 hours per week total for age group.

                    * If group licensed and 1 provider present must meet ratios for EITHER Group Home 1 provider OR Family Home Daycare

                    There are also some exceptions for prek half day children and SA before/after and holiday care

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                    • Hunni Bee
                      False Sense Of Authority
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 2397

                      #25
                      Just bumping this. Keep adding, guys!!

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                      • Maria2013
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 1026

                        #26
                        Originally posted by SilverSabre25
                        See my location, up there in the corner? I got tired of defending my unlicensed status so I stuck that up there
                        that's cute

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                        • KidGrind
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 1099

                          #27
                          Military

                          I am exempt from any state or country requiring licensing. I am certified by the military installation my spouse is attached to.

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