Illegal/Unlicensed Daycare on My Street

[KidGrind]

Off topic:

As prior military in a field made up of 3% females, men are incredibly more drama driven than females in my life experience.

The only comment that made me lower my eyebrow was the "back to Mexico".

[My3cents]

When you are illegal, it comes with a "scarlet 'I'".

And it doesn't matter what the situation is. If its illegal to be unlicensed in the OP's state, then running an unlicensed daycare is illegal.

I don't know why people feel like that's debatable. :confused:

There was another thread a week or so ago where the OP got all hurt because people weren't agreeing that it was okay for her to operate illegally, because "she is good at what she does". She claimed even after she was ordered to shut down, the parents "refused" to stop bringing their kids to her, "forcing" her to continue to operate illegally.

If everyone else has to go through the proper procedure and shell out the cash to become licensed (if its necessary) then no one should get a free pass not to because they love kids or kids love them. And the people who report them are not evil or jealous.

[My3cents]

Here's a little spin-off of my own... OP, I sympathize with you.

I've been waiting going on 6 months now for my license. It's taking forever. I'm caring for my nieces a few days a week and a boy from an unrelated family on different days. Legally unlicensed.

I wrote on another post how I take whichever kids I have to the park at the same time most days. It happens to be when all the daycare providers in the neighborhood go to the park. There are three other women with groups of kids there... and all three of them are unlicensed. They just offered me that information with no hesitation! Each one had 4-6 kids from different families... it is plausible that one of them may have had family members and was legally unlicensed...but the other two were definitely doing it wrong.

They were aware of this. One of them told me she used to be licensed but she lost her license (because she had a baby napping in a Pack-N-Play wearing a snow suit!!) and now she is a "nanny"... working from her home... caring for three different families.

So so frustrated that I'm trying to do this the legal way, it's taking forever, and I'm losing clients and not making any money. It feels like--what's the point??? Ugh!

the point is that you are trying to do it the right way! Get on the phone and find out what is holding up the process of you getting your license. Just because someone decides to jump off the bridge doesn't mean that you have to do it too. Have a good feeling that you are doing things the right way and see what comes of that- Sorry I don't like the mentality of what's the point. Since when has doing things the right way become such a choice and an inner battle.

Don't get me wrong I do understand what your saying and how you feel- but life is not fair, but that doesn't mean we have to stop trying and stop doing right, just because it doesn't seem fair. I am far from perfect but for whatever reason your comment got to me, even if I understand how you feel and have been there.

[My3cents]

I agree! My DH also belongs to several woodworking forums and the drama on those boards is just as bad if not worse than some of the things I've read on here. ::

I think that drama has more to do with diversity and differing perspectives rather than the sex of the poster.

I am guessing that men don't hold back either. They say it how it is. I know in real life they do most of the time.

[daycarediva]

When you are illegal, it comes with a "scarlet 'I'".

And it doesn't matter what the situation is. If its illegal to be unlicensed in the OP's state, then running an unlicensed daycare is illegal.

I don't know why people feel like that's debatable. :confused:

There was another thread a week or so ago where the OP got all hurt because people weren't agreeing that it was okay for her to operate illegally, because "she is good at what she does". She claimed even after she was ordered to shut down, the parents "refused" to stop bringing their kids to her, "forcing" her to continue to operate illegally.

If everyone else has to go through the proper procedure and shell out the cash to become licensed (if its necessary) then no one should get a free pass not to because they love kids or kids love them. And the people who report them are not evil or jealous.

My state is ASKING providers to turn in those operating illegally-licensed or not- to crack down on it. Illegal is illegal, just because you don't like or agree with the law, doesn't give people a right to disregard it.

I would report it. If it is an illegal daycare, they SHOULD be shut down and/or forced to become licensed.

[Leanna]

Daycarediva, you are in NY too right? Where did you see/hear that?

[rhondawarren]

This morning on my way to get coffee we saw two moms talking in a driveway, one carrying in a big package of diapers.

The old owners have recently given this house to their children. So I am guessing that the daughter is running an unlicensed daycare. The kicker is, they know that we are only two houses down because they interviewed with us some years ago for their two boys. Honestly, one of our top 5 worst interviews - the boys were horribly behaved and mom had a "boys will be boys" attitude about it. And at the time, the boys were at an unlicensed daycare, and mom said it was fine because the DCP's husband was in law inforcement. Which made me furious, because it is illegal no matter what your husband's profession. Anyway, it makes sense that this lady is unlicensed if she didn't have a problem with unlicensed daycares knowing they are illegal.

I checked the DHS website and she isn't on there, plus their yard isn't fenced so they can't be licensed.

When we first moved in, someone called DHS to report an unlicensed daycare - we were licensed of course - so it didn't matter. But I am thinking it is only a matter of time before someone reports her. I won't because I don't like involving licensing in anything, even for someone else. But I just thought it was very ballsy of her to open an unlicensed daycare two houses down from a licensed daycare - of course we are going to notice !

Unlicensed Day Cares are not illegal as long as they are following the guidelines for an unlicensed Day Care. What exactly made you think that she was providing illegal care? Some people choose not to get licensed because they have no intentions of keeping more children than the guidelines for an unlicensed Day Care. An unlicensed provider does not mean that they are illegal nor does it mean that the quality of care that they provide is any less than that of a licensed provider. In fact ... in some cases I have seen people that have chosen not to get licensed but are very professional and treat it as much like a business as a licensed provider.

[craftymissbeth]

Unlicensed Day Cares are not illegal as long as they are following the guidelines for an unlicensed Day Care. What exactly made you think that she was providing illegal care? Some people choose not to get licensed because they have no intentions of keeping more children than the guidelines for an unlicensed Day Care. An unlicensed provider does not mean that they are illegal nor does it mean that the quality of care that they provide is any less than that of a licensed provider. In fact ... in some cases I have seen people that have chosen not to get licensed but are very professional and treat it as much like a business as a licensed provider.

You and blandino don't look like you're in the same state. Every state has different regulations and laws. In my state (Kansas), for example, there are very few ways to be legally unlicensed.

[melilley]

Unlicensed Day Cares are not illegal as long as they are following the guidelines for an unlicensed Day Care. What exactly made you think that she was providing illegal care? Some people choose not to get licensed because they have no intentions of keeping more children than the guidelines for an unlicensed Day Care. An unlicensed provider does not mean that they are illegal nor does it mean that the quality of care that they provide is any less than that of a licensed provider. In fact ... in some cases I have seen people that have chosen not to get licensed but are very professional and treat it as much like a business as a licensed provider.

Unlicensed daycare's are illegal here in MI. You can't even take care of one unrelated child in your own home without a license. Family members are the only people who can take care of children in their homes without a license. I do agree that unlicensed providers can take just care of children just as well as a licensed provider, but I also think that you should follow the law and if your state requires you to be licensed, then you need to do so.

[melilley]

My state is ASKING providers to turn in those operating illegally-licensed or not- to crack down on it. Illegal is illegal, just because you don't like or agree with the law, doesn't give people a right to disregard it.

I would report it. If it is an illegal daycare, they SHOULD be shut down and/or forced to become licensed.

Ugh, I wish they would do that here!

[Patches]

Unlicensed Day Cares are not illegal as long as they are following the guidelines for an unlicensed Day Care. What exactly made you think that she was providing illegal care? Some people choose not to get licensed because they have no intentions of keeping more children than the guidelines for an unlicensed Day Care. An unlicensed provider does not mean that they are illegal nor does it mean that the quality of care that they provide is any less than that of a licensed provider. In fact ... in some cases I have seen people that have chosen not to get licensed but are very professional and treat it as much like a business as a licensed provider.

In OPs state there is really no such thing as legally unlicensed. Pretty much, you're either licensed or illegal. If you ONLY care for family or you watch children less than 15 hours a week then you don't need to get licensed

[Rockgirl]

You and blandino don't look like you're in the same state. Every state has different regulations and laws. In my state (Kansas), for example, there are very few ways to be legally unlicensed.

That's also the case in Texas. Even to care for one unrelated child, a person has to at least be listed.

[MsLaura529]

In MI, there is only one way to be unlicensed, and that is if you are watching blood-related children.

[melilley]

In MI, there is only one way to be unlicensed, and that is if you are watching blood-related children.

Yep. But you can watch kids for up to 4 weeks a year and not be licensed....weird!

[blandino]

Unlicensed Day Cares are not illegal as long as they are following the guidelines for an unlicensed Day Care. What exactly made you think that she was providing illegal care? Some people choose not to get licensed because they have no intentions of keeping more children than the guidelines for an unlicensed Day Care. An unlicensed provider does not mean that they are illegal nor does it mean that the quality of care that they provide is any less than that of a licensed provider. In fact ... in some cases I have seen people that have chosen not to get licensed but are very professional and treat it as much like a business as a licensed provider.

In OPs state there is really no such thing as legally unlicensed. Pretty much, you're either licensed or illegal. If you ONLY care for family or you watch children less than 15 hours a week then you don't need to get licensed[/QUOTE]

Yes, in our state there is no legally unlicensed option. You either care for blood relatives or offer care less than 15 hours/week. Otherwise you have to be licensed, even if its only one child.