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    Out of Control Child

    Daughter is 6 years old and is in Kindergarden. She has always had behavior problems. But since starting school she will come home and she is out of control! I have had 2 new families start and I am afraid they are going to pull their children from my care because of how she acts when they come to pick up. I don't know what to do! I looked into the after school program her school offers but it doesn't start until January. Help!
  • Michael
    Founder & Owner-Daycare.com
    • Aug 2007
    • 7947

    #2
    Until you have comments from the other members here are some previous threads on Pick Up Behavior: https://www.daycare.com/forum/tags.p...ck+up+behavior

    Separation Anxiety: https://www.daycare.com/forum/tags.p...ration+anxiety

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    • countrymom
      Daycare.com Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 4874

      #3
      is she hungry or tired.
      you see, I don't play games. If your going to be naughty after school then you can go to your room. She's doing it for attention. Do you talk to her when she comes home, or do you just tell her to wait. My kids are always telling me about school, try listening to 4 kids at once and 2 daycare kids who want to tell me about their day, its crazy. I also believe that for bad behavior their needs to be consequences.

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      • Familycare71
        Daycare.com Member
        • Apr 2011
        • 1716

        #4
        Does she have diagnosed behavior problems or just behavior problems? My response would differ depending. Can you give examples of "behavior problems" in general and what she is doing now?
        Thanks! :hug: in the meantime

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        • Unregistered

          #5
          I posted last week about a parent thinking my child might have autism. So right now no diagnosis. She can become very violent. Every time I send her to her room she will have a complete meltdown of screaming bloody murder hitting and kicking the door/walls. She does the same thing for time out. Every time I discipline her (multiple times a day) without fail she will have a meltdown. When she has meltdowns she will hold her throat and say she can't breathe then hold her breath until she turns colors. I have been in the child care business for over 10 years and I have never seen a child act like she does, my other 2 children do not act this way. It's to the point where I am loosing my mind!

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          • Willow
            Advanced Daycare.com Member
            • May 2012
            • 2683

            #6
            I'd tell the parents that a child that self harms warrants an immediate call to EMS/law enforcement. There is no way I'd assume responsibility for a child who.chokes themselves, especially while I had other children in my care.

            No joke, I'd be calling 911 and letting the parents sort it out OFF your premises.

            Then is term and suggest they get her some serious psychological help immediately.

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            • Familycare71
              Daycare.com Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 1716

              #7
              Originally posted by Willow
              I'd tell the parents that a child that self harms warrants an immediate call to EMS/law enforcement. There is no way I'd assume responsibility for a child who.chokes themselves, especially while I had other children in my care.

              No joke, I'd be calling 911 and letting the parents sort it out OFF your premises.

              Then is term and suggest they get her some serious psychological help immediately.
              Willow- it is HER child!
              Wow- there is def something going on... Have you talked to your Ped about it? The good news about holding your breath is if your good enough to do it once you pass out you breath again- so she can't do permanent damage... But the fact that she is doing it -in itself- is a behavior concern.
              You need intervention for her... If you have talked to the Ped and they didnt follow through you need to schedule a consult and explain how severe the behavior is! Sounds like she needs help beyond what you can manage-
              As for dc parents I would talk to them and share what you are doing to try and control the behavior. Also what you are doing to get treatment and what you do to protect their children while they are in your care. Generally I would t suggest talking to families about personal issues but because of her age she is part of the group.
              Have you done anything that does seem to work with her? Maybe we can build on that
              Ill look at the other post again too - maybe that will help refresh my memory...
              I encourage you to register- your a provider and need ideas and support-
              :hug: in the meantime!! Hang in there!

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              • Unregistered

                #8
                It is my own child who is having the problems. She has never experienced abuse and has been receiving help from professionals since she was a toddler.

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                • Willow
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • May 2012
                  • 2683

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Familycare71
                  Willow- it is HER child!
                  Wow- there is def something going on... Have you talked to your Ped about it? The good news about holding your breath is if your good enough to do it once you pass out you breath again- so she can't do permanent damage... But the fact that she is doing it -in itself- is a behavior concern.
                  You need intervention for her... If you have talked to the Ped and they didnt follow through you need to schedule a consult and explain how severe the behavior is! Sounds like she needs help beyond what you can manage-
                  As for dc parents I would talk to them and share what you are doing to try and control the behavior. Also what you are doing to get treatment and what you do to protect their children while they are in your care. Generally I would t suggest talking to families about personal issues but because of her age she is part of the group.
                  Have you done anything that does seem to work with her? Maybe we can build on that
                  Ill look at the other post again too - maybe that will help refresh my memory...
                  I encourage you to register- your a provider and need ideas and support-
                  :hug: in the meantime!! Hang in there!

                  So that's the biggest flub I've ever made


                  OP, I still think what she's doing is bad enough that like Familycare suggested, you need some serious intervention. I wouldn't wait, and would call her doc first thing in the morning to get the ball rolling.

                  If you can keep the other kids in your care safe I'm not sure I would share what's going on with your daycare families. Just as you wouldn't share with one family about another, your family is entitled to the same privacy. If however it's getting to the point where she is endangering others is say a sit down and reevaluation of the overall situation with your husband is in order. You may need to either sort out some sort of therapeutic daycare elsewhere for her, or maybe even sort out if continuing to do daycare at this point and time is reasonable.

                  I wouldn't take an appointment a month down the road, get one scheduled asap, within the next couple of days would be ideal.

                  I do wish you the best of luck, these sorts of things with our own kids are never easy to cope with.

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                  • Willow
                    Advanced Daycare.com Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 2683

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered
                    It is my own child who is having the problems. She has never experienced abuse and has been receiving help from professionals since she was a toddler.
                    What is their take on her escalation?

                    Is she on meds that may need to be adjusted?

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                    • Unregistered

                      #11
                      I have been talking to her ped since she was a toddler. When she ran out of options she referred me to someone else, next person did everything they could do referred me to next person and so on. We have exhausted all option in our home town. Called her ped last week and now she is referring us to someone a few hours away. There is something going on but no one can figure out what it is. The appointment isn't for another 3 months so trying to figure out what to do until then. I will try to talk to the parents and I hope they understand!

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                      • Unregistered

                        #12
                        No medication. She has tried all ADHD medication for her age group. All of them had the same side effects for her. Severe depression to the point where I had to take her to the hospital. She may have some ADHD in her but from a lot of research children with ADHD to not respond to medicine like that unless that's not what they have and it's something else. I can't get in any sooner than 3 months.

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                        • hope
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 1513

                          #13
                          Sending lots of good thoughts, prayers and hope for you and your family. Sounds like you are really going through a lot.
                          Does her school have a therapist? Maybe you can call your insurance company for a listing of top therapists. Sometimes it just takes the right doctor to rePly look into the situation.
                          Really feel for you. Wish I had more advice.

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                          • Familycare71
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 1716

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered
                            No medication. She has tried all ADHD medication for her age group. All of them had the same side effects for her. Severe depression to the point where I had to take her to the hospital. She may have some ADHD in her but from a lot of research children with ADHD to not respond to medicine like that unless that's not what they have and it's something else. I can't get in any sooner than 3 months.
                            Oh my... Sometimes a reaction like that can indicate bi-polar. Has that ever been looked at? Her behavior could be consistent with early onset as well. Drs don't like diagnosing it early but sometimes it is done.
                            Does she want to harm herself? Ik you mentioned choking herself but originally I was thinking of it as a power struggle... But if she is a threat to herself- and I know this will be hard to hear- you may want to take her to emergency phyc. Department. Ik around my area for severe situations it is the best way to get treatment immediately. Obviously I don't know if it is to that extent but it is an option to get her treatment- esp if she seems like she wants to self harm.
                            How is she in school? Is she holding it together there?
                            I think I would still talk to parents- you don't have to get into every detail just the basics so they know you know and are on it.
                            Please take my advice as a person with some experience with children with mood disorders and ASD - but little info.
                            Can you be more specific as to what exact behaviors you need help with and when they happen? Maybe we can figure out some things to try in the meantime
                            :hug:

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                            • Familycare71
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 1716

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Willow
                              So that's the biggest flub I've ever made


                              OP, I still think what she's doing is bad enough that like Familycare suggested, you need some serious intervention. I wouldn't wait, and would call her doc first thing in the morning to get the ball rolling.

                              If you can keep the other kids in your care safe I'm not sure I would share what's going on with your daycare families. Just as you wouldn't share with one family about another, your family is entitled to the same privacy. If however it's getting to the point where she is endangering others is say a sit down and reevaluation of the overall situation with your husband is in order. You may need to either sort out some sort of therapeutic daycare elsewhere for her, or maybe even sort out if continuing to do daycare at this point and time is reasonable.

                              I wouldn't take an appointment a month down the road, get one scheduled asap, within the next couple of days would be ideal.

                              I do wish you the best of luck, these sorts of things with our own kids are never easy to cope with.
                              It happens :hug:

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