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  • misol
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 716

    Got Notice Today

    So, the mom of 2 boys gave me notice today. This was the first time a family has given me notice. It's bittersweet because I need the money like nobody's business but I was going to term them anyway once I found replacements. I have been having behavior issues with 3yo dcb since day one and recently his 14mo brother has has been copying the bad behavior of the older brother (screaming, throwing, hitting, spitting, saying no, etc.) I have already had it with the older boy's antics and definitely cannot take BOTH of them acting like that.

    Now rewind back to last Friday. Mom comes in and tells me that dcb3 told her that I spanked him. (Nothing can be further from the truth.) She said she didn't believe it was true but thought she should ask me about it since he said it more than once that night. I said "Really, I'm surprised that he would say that because I never have and never would hit him or any dck." She said I know, I don't know where he got that from or why he said that. I said "Maybe he was referring to me spanking DD (2yo)? Her eyes widened and she was like "OH?" I said yes, the other day DD was misbehaving and after trying other solutions I told her that the next step was going to be a spanking. She seemed shocked and appalled. So I explained to her that DH and I use spanking as a last resort but we do spank our own children if it becomes necessary . I assured her that while DCB may have heard me threaten the spanking, he has not ever witnessed (or even heard) me spank either of my kids. After I stated my position she told me that spanking is a personal decision and they their family chooses not to (which is QUITE obvious from the boys' behavior). She babbles on and on about how they never wanted their kids to even hear the word spank, etc. etc. The conversation was getting long and I needed to get back to the kids but I told her if she wanted to discuss the matter further, we could do that at a later time. She said that she didn't want to so that was that. I don't think that she believed that I hit her son but I do think that she was very surprised to learn that I believe in spanking. The conversation left us both with a sour taste in our mouths. This was Friday. Monday she gave me notice.

    The reason she gave was that they could not afford to continue fulltime care for the boys while she is out of work. She has a job where once she finishes up a project, she is out of work until another project is available - could be days could be weeks. She said that she was giving me notice to cover her butt in case she doesn't get called back to work for the next two weeks. She was implying that if she gets a call in the next week or so that she would withdraw her notice but I'm not sure I believe that. Now granted, she asked me for a price break a few weeks ago but before I got back to her with an answer, she was back working again so it became a non-issue. I can't help but wonder if this is more about me spanking my kids than it is about her not working.
  • Michael
    Founder & Owner-Daycare.com
    • Aug 2007
    • 7950

    #2
    Some older posts on notice: https://www.daycare.com/forum/tags.php?tag=notice

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    • momofboys
      Advanced Daycare Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 2560

      #3
      Originally posted by misol
      So, the mom of 2 boys gave me notice today. This was the first time a family has given me notice. It's bittersweet because I need the money like nobody's business but I was going to term them anyway once I found replacements. I have been having behavior issues with 3yo dcb since day one and recently his 14mo brother has has been copying the bad behavior of the older brother (screaming, throwing, hitting, spitting, saying no, etc.) I have already had it with the older boy's antics and definitely cannot take BOTH of them acting like that.

      Now rewind back to last Friday. Mom comes in and tells me that dcb3 told her that I spanked him. (Nothing can be further from the truth.) She said she didn't believe it was true but thought she should ask me about it since he said it more than once that night. I said "Really, I'm surprised that he would say that because I never have and never would hit him or any dck." She said I know, I don't know where he got that from or why he said that. I said "Maybe he was referring to me spanking DD (2yo)? Her eyes widened and she was like "OH?" I said yes, the other day DD was misbehaving and after trying other solutions I told her that the next step was going to be a spanking. She seemed shocked and appalled. So I explained to her that DH and I use spanking as a last resort but we do spank our own children if it becomes necessary . I assured her that while DCB may have heard me threaten the spanking, he has not ever witnessed (or even heard) me spank either of my kids. After I stated my position she told me that spanking is a personal decision and they their family chooses not to (which is QUITE obvious from the boys' behavior). She babbles on and on about how they never wanted their kids to even hear the word spank, etc. etc. The conversation was getting long and I needed to get back to the kids but I told her if she wanted to discuss the matter further, we could do that at a later time. She said that she didn't want to so that was that. I don't think that she believed that I hit her son but I do think that she was very surprised to learn that I believe in spanking. The conversation left us both with a sour taste in our mouths. This was Friday. Monday she gave me notice.

      The reason she gave was that they could not afford to continue fulltime care for the boys while she is out of work. She has a job where once she finishes up a project, she is out of work until another project is available - could be days could be weeks. She said that she was giving me notice to cover her butt in case she doesn't get called back to work for the next two weeks. She was implying that if she gets a call in the next week or so that she would withdraw her notice but I'm not sure I believe that. Now granted, she asked me for a price break a few weeks ago but before I got back to her with an answer, she was back working again so it became a non-issue. I can't help but wonder if this is more about me spanking my kids than it is about her not working.
      I'm sorry! But it sounds like maybe it's for the best, especially if the boys have terrible behavior. I hope you can find someone else quickly to replace them!

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        #4
        This sounds exactly like your situation.
        Down to the ages and everything.
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        • TGT09
          Daycare.com Member
          • Feb 2010
          • 653

          #5
          Yeah, it doesn't sound like you are too worried about it and neither would I. Spanking IS a personal preference and no one should pass judgement on how you parent your OWN children.

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          • missnikki
            Advanced Daycare.com Member
            • Mar 2010
            • 1033

            #6
            I hope you are working on your waiting list/ advertising those spots. Would you even consider letting her withdraw her notice? Personally, I don't think I would. Well, maybe I would, but I'd definitely spank her first. (kidding)

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            • MyAngels
              Member
              • Aug 2010
              • 4217

              #7
              Sounds like this worked out for the best all around. I'm sure you will find a great family to fill their spots soon and never look back. It's difficult providing care for families that don't share your views on parenting and discipline, whether it affects them directly or not.

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              • misol
                Advanced Daycare.com Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 716

                #8
                Originally posted by TGT09
                Yeah, it doesn't sound like you are too worried about it and neither would I. Spanking IS a personal preference and no one should pass judgement on how you parent your OWN children.
                She was clearly passing judgement. Her facial expressions and body language said it all. I explained to her that there is a clear difference between two swats on a diapered bottom and a beating with a belt. It's more to get their attention than to actually hurt them. I offered to continue the discussion with her at another time but then later decided that if she brought it up again I wasn't going to discuss it further. I was just prepared to tell her that if she thinks it's going to be an issue or that her child is in jeopardy of being spanked then this is no longer a good fit.

                I totally respect a parent's decision NOT to spank but I don't respect parents who let their children "run the house." There are some parents (like this one) who think that not spanking means no discipline at all. They have ZERO consequences for his actions and behavior. I have witnessed dcb hit mom several times and she never says or does anything. I had to say something to him in front of her because she certainly wasn't going to do it. The funny thing is that I was planning to have a tallk with her about his behavior and ask her for suggestions because there has been no improvement since they started. Now, after this whole spanking bit, I am totally uncomfortable even having this conversation with her!

                Originally posted by missnikki
                I hope you are working on your waiting list/ advertising those spots. Would you even consider letting her withdraw her notice? Personally, I don't think I would. Well, maybe I would, but I'd definitely spank her first. (kidding)
                I wish I had a wait list I have started advertising with reckless abandon though. At this point I would let her withdraw her notice because I need the money. Once I find someone to fill the spaces they are gone. I am figuring that if she truly thought her children were in danger she would have pulled them immediately especially since she isn't working. And this mom CERTAINLY needs a spanking for letting her kids behave the way that they do
                Last edited by misol; 09-14-2010, 07:17 AM. Reason: typos

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                • AfterSchoolMom
                  Advanced Daycare.com Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 1973

                  #9
                  Originally posted by missnikki
                  I hope you are working on your waiting list/ advertising those spots. Would you even consider letting her withdraw her notice? Personally, I don't think I would. Well, maybe I would, but I'd definitely spank her first. (kidding)
                  I know that this situation isn't funny, but missnikki, I almost spit iced tea all over my computer when I read this!


                  Misol, it sounds like you're much better off without this family. I hope you can fill their spots quickly.

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                  • kidkair
                    Celebrating Daily!
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 673

                    #10
                    I have to say that if I were that parent I would be calling the county and talking to your licensor. Even if you use spanking on your own kids, you are not allowed to spank them or threaten a physical punishment during daycare hours. You have to treat your children the same as you treat the other kids in the daycare during daycare hours. I would have pulled my kids immediately.
                    Celebrate! ::

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                    • AfterSchoolMom
                      Advanced Daycare.com Member
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 1973

                      #11
                      ^^^^^^

                      Are you serious?
                      Last edited by AfterSchoolMom; 09-14-2010, 12:45 PM. Reason: Don't feel like starting a bunch of drama.

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                      • marniewon
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 897

                        #12
                        Originally posted by kidkair
                        I have to say that if I were that parent I would be calling the county and talking to your licensor. Even if you use spanking on your own kids, you are not allowed to spank them or threaten a physical punishment during daycare hours. You have to treat your children the same as you treat the other kids in the daycare during daycare hours. I would have pulled my kids immediately.
                        That's not anywhere in my regs.....

                        Editing to add: If I spanked my kids as a measure of discipline, and they did something that warranted being spanked during daycare hours, you can bet it would be handled right then, not later, after daycare hours when they wouldn't even remember what they did wrong!
                        Last edited by marniewon; 09-14-2010, 01:19 PM. Reason: added text

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                        • missnikki
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 1033

                          #13
                          Originally posted by marniewon
                          That's not anywhere in my regs.....

                          Editing to add: If I spanked my kids as a measure of discipline, and they did something that warranted being spanked during daycare hours, you can bet it would be handled right then, not later, after daycare hours when they wouldn't even remember what they did wrong!
                          I say let the parents call whoever they would like. At most, an investigation will ensue (fun for everyone!) but while they are within their rights to do so, I find it utterly ridiculous to think that a provider must follow their DCP's wishes regarding the upbringing of their own children. Ridiculous.

                          Maybe that's something that should be discussed during interviews.

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                          • SilverSabre25
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 7585

                            #14
                            I'm going to preface this with saying that although we don't spank, we know that it's a personal choice and that I USUALLY don't have any problem with people who DO spank their kids (my sister does--last resort/only thing that works with that kid kind of thing).

                            If I were the parent of a child in your daycare, I would not (probably) be terming my children just because I learned that you spank your children UNLESS for some reason I didn't trust that you would NOT do that to mine--and if I didn't trust that then my child probably wouldn't have entered your care in the first place!

                            I have once borderline terminated a friendship because I learned that the parents spank their children--I was/am still sad about it because this family fits mine in SO many ways that are usually hard to find. But I don't agree with the *particular* philosophy they use (spanking a 9 month old? Or a 14 month old? Or even their just-turned-2 year old multiple times a day for the most MINOR and developmentally normal infractions?) and for that, I felt that it would be hard for me to be friends with them.

                            I have considered, once or twice, giving my DD a swat on the butt, but have always reconsidered *because that's my choice*. And yet, my DD manages to be very well-behaved for her age, and even when she does act up *I handle it* which is more than can be said for many non-spanking parents. This is because I understand child development and therefore know what going on mentally behind the undesireable behavior. I correct that in so much as I can. So far she's turning out to be a pretty good example of how it's possible to raise a challenging child without spanking, but I don't begrudge others the right to spank.
                            Hee hee! Look, I have a signature!

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                            • kidkair
                              Celebrating Daily!
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 673

                              #15
                              Originally posted by AfterSchoolMom
                              ^^^^^^

                              Are you serious?
                              Yes I am serious. Corporal punishment should never be used on or near a child.
                              Celebrate! ::

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