Gay Marriage

[Country Kids]

I am going to ask a question and one I'm not sure of, that is why I'm asking.

If a person (either sex) picks the same sex child as themselves for victims does that make the pdiphile (sp?) gay? So if you have a man that always picks boys (many do) does that make the man homosexual? You hear of men that "like little boys" and I've wondered is it a power thing or what and why the attraction to little boys and not girls.

I know there are woman (seems rare though) that go after children but have never heard of woman going after girls, just usually boys.

This has nothing to do with gay marriage at all but just a question I had.

[mom2many]

Please, please read the bill before you post. The reason that the "exclusion" was denied is because the Bill has nothing to do with pedophilia. The bill has nothing to do with Adults! The Bill is only designed to protect minors.

Why do you think major new agencies aren't covering this "story"?
Why do you think that there are not quotes from the Bill itself?
Why do you think that there is not a link to the Bill where people can see for themselves the very scary, slippery slope????

This is a very clear case of Republicans attempting to link homosexuality with pedophilia, which is sadly common...you only need to read this thread to see that.

PLEASE DO NOT insult MY intelligence and I take serious offense to your statements.

The major news agencies aren't covering this because they are liberal minded and have their own opposing agenda!

The quotes came from the article, because the "exclusion" to clarify was rejected! Are you kidding me?!

The article speaks for itself...no link is necessary when you read what transpired. Most people can clearly see the slippery slope we are on.

Furthermore, to infer that Republicans are attempting to link pedophilia with homosexuality is utterly appalling.

[jen]

PLEASE DO NOT insult MY intelligence and I take serious offense to your statements.

The major news agencies aren't covering this because they are liberal minded and have their own opposing agenda!

The quotes came from the article, because the "exclusion" to clarify was rejected! Are you kidding me?!

The article speaks for itself...no link is necessary when you read what transpired. Most people can clearly see the slippery slope we are on.

Furthermore, to infer that Republicans are attempting to link pedophilia with homosexuality is utterly appalling.

With all due respect...


How can you determine if the article is correct without reading the bill?

Again, this bill has nothing to do with ADULT sexuality or gender. This is only a bill about MINORS.

Republicans asked for an amendment to add a provision about pedophilia, the bill is not about pedophilia, it is about CHILDREN undergoing gender or sexual orientation conversion therapy.

In other words, This bill makes it illegal for a therapist/mental health professional/Dr. to practice conversion therapies on minors.

I have no intention of insulting your intelligence. I'm just requesting that you look at the Bill before drawing conclusions. Also, the "liberal minded" Fox News also failed to cover this.

[CedarCreek]

I am going to ask a question and one I'm not sure of, that is why I'm asking.

If a person (either sex) picks the same sex child as themselves for victims does that make the pdiphile (sp?) gay? So if you have a man that always picks boys (many do) does that make the man homosexual? You hear of men that "like little boys" and I've wondered is it a power thing or what and why the attraction to little boys and not girls.

I know there are woman (seems rare though) that go after children but have never heard of woman going after girls, just usually boys.

This has nothing to do with gay marriage at all but just a question I had.

I think that it's probably a case by case basis whether or not the pedophile would be gay. If they picked the same sex, they would certainly have some gay tendencies I would think. But it could be just about power some times, like you said.

[jen]

I am going to ask a question and one I'm not sure of, that is why I'm asking.

If a person (either sex) picks the same sex child as themselves for victims does that make the pdiphile (sp?) gay? So if you have a man that always picks boys (many do) does that make the man homosexual? You hear of men that "like little boys" and I've wondered is it a power thing or what and why the attraction to little boys and not girls.

I know there are woman (seems rare though) that go after children but have never heard of woman going after girls, just usually boys.

This has nothing to do with gay marriage at all but just a question I had.

I would say no. In my opinion, molestation is, like rape, about power and control, not sex.

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[Patches]

I wouldn't say its irrelevant. You cant tell married people that they can't procreate. But for a hypothetical situation, sure. Marry your brother. Marry three of your brothers. Everyone is consenting, their life does not affect my life.

I stayed away from this for a looong time but I just wanted to say ^THIS! lovethis

Also, I 100% agree with everything you have said in this thread Cedar. My thoughts exactly

[mom2many]

With all due respect...


How can you determine if the article is correct without reading the bill?

Again, this bill has nothing to do with ADULT sexuality or gender. This is only a bill about MINORS.

Republicans asked for an amendment to add a provision about pedophilia, the bill is not about pedophilia, it is about CHILDREN undergoing gender or sexual orientation conversion therapy.

In other words, This bill makes it illegal for a therapist/mental health professional/Dr. to practice conversion therapies on minors.

I have no intention of insulting your intelligence. I'm just requesting that you look at the Bill before drawing conclusions.

I'm not going to waste my time debating this any further....Ultimately it comes down to one thing... the liberal mantra is "Don't push your morality on me" and so in turn... Don't push your morality on me or lack of it.

Republicans/Conservatives are constantly being beat down and told to compromise. Geez, when was the last time the Socialist/Liberal minded ever compromised on anything!

Since there is so much resistance (CA voters voted not once, but twice on legalizing gay marriage and it was denied both times), people need to reconsider whether there is a slippery slope that the liberal policies are creating both financially and socially.

[Candy]

Wow havent been on her in a day or two and didn't know this would still be going on. Bottom line in my opinion is if its not happening in your house then it shouldn't bother you. And if it bothers you just to see two gay people walking holding hands then you have a serious problem.

[bluemoose_mom]

Okay, I read the bill, and you are correct that it does not talk about pedophilia at all. It is only talking about minor gay conversion therapy, and the title, and article are a little misleading.

I do agree that sexual orientation needs to be defined as gay or lesbian in this bill, to avoid ANY confusion because homosexuality and pedophilia is very different. It is very concerning to me that they didn't want to define it, and blocked an amendment to define their terms. I would think that this is an area they wouldn't want any grey area's. This is what Rep. Alcee Hastings said about this bill, "Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation.” However, the amendment was defeated by Democrats. Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., stated that all alternative sexual lifestyles should be protected under the law.

“This bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice and to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability or all of these ‘philias’ and fetishes and ‘isms’ that were put forward need not live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of this rule,” he said while Congress was considering the plan ."(http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/plan-prom...lASIGWjizcp.99)

Canada also has psychologists saying that pedophilia is a sexual orientation just like homosexuality or heterosexuality.

"Hubert Van Gijseghem, a psychologist and retired professor at the University of Montreal, told members of Parliament, “Pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small offense from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality.”

He went on to say: “True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change this person’s sexual orientation. He may, however, remain abstinent.”

When asked if he should be comparing pedophiles to homosexuals, Van Gijseghem replied, “If, for instance, you were living in a society where heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual orientation.”

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/plan-promotes-protection-for-pedophiles/#R9KrzlASIGWjizcp.99

I do see grey area's that lawyers can argue that pedophilia is a sexual orientation and needs protection. In fact, Harvard Medical School defines pedophilia as a sexual orientation. In it's July 2010 publication, Harvard Health Publication says, "Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist acting on his sexual urges." http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsle...out-pedophilia

I see the difference, as I'm sure homosexuals do, as well as supporters of gay marriage. All I'm saying is, legalizing gay marriage will open doors to people who want to use these grey area's.

In all honesty, I believe gay marriage should not be allowed (civil unions should be okay).

I am on the fence as to whether or not the federal government has any say in it. And have a hard time reconciling these two thoughts.

[mom2many]

Wow havent been on her in a day or two and didn't know this would still be going on. Bottom line in my opinion is if its not happening in your house then it shouldn't bother you. And if it bothers you just to see two gay people walking holding hands then you have a serious problem.

It actually doesn't "bother" me! I have a gay nephew & sister in law and several gay friends as well. It's actually quite commom place where I live.

My only objection is to gay "marriage." They already have all of the same rights as married couples in their "civil union"...but NOW that is not good enough and they want it to be called "marriage." I do take issue with this, because I feel marriage is defined between a woman and a man and yes, some may look as it as a technicality or just some stupid word, but to me "marriage is sacred!"

IMHO- call it anything else you want and ensure every right is the same for equality sake and make sure that no one is discriminated against for their sexual orientation...BUT leave the word "marriage" out of the mix!

[Candy]

It actually doesn't "bother" me! I have a gay nephew & sister in law and several gay friends as well. It's actually quite commom place where I live.

My only objection is to gay "marriage." They already have all of the same rights as married couples in their "civil union"...but NOW that is not good enough and they want it to be called "marriage." I do take issue with this, because I feel marriage is defined between a woman and a man and yes, some may look as it as a technicality or just some stupid word, but to me "marriage is sacred!"

IMHO- call it anything else you want and ensure every right is the same for equality sake and make sure that no one is discriminated against for their sexual orientation...BUT leave the word "marriage" out of the mix!

Marriage is sacred because it is between two PEOPLE who love each other. No matter their gender. And i find it odd that you say that they want their civil union to be called marriage like they are asking for the world or something. They just want it to be called marriage that isn't asking a lot. Either way it go they can be married now in most states and in the future probably all so people who don't like it are just going to have to deal with it.

[Willow]

mom2many, I was able to read your reply when Candy quoted what you wrote and am wondering how on earth you've drawn the conclusion that a civil union entitles gay couples to the same rights as heterosexual couples?

Civil unions are only recognized on a state level, and only a fraction of states currently recognize them. I can go to any state in my country and still be acknowledged as married. Someone with a civil union however is incredibly restricted, and they are not at all recognized on a federal level. If your partner dies or you both do and you have surviving minor children there are NONE of the benefits married couples have.

To repeat:
Civil unions are NOT the same, and only a fraction of the people in this country have the right to them based entirely on their geographical location at present. They are a stepping stone to equality - but just as simply letting an African American sit next to you at a restaurant was it's merely a drop in the hat. Should that have been "good enough" for them still not being allowed to vote?

[jokalima]

PLEASE DO NOT insult MY intelligence and I take serious offense to your statements.

The major news agencies aren't covering this because they are liberal minded and have their own opposing agenda!

The quotes came from the article, because the "exclusion" to clarify was rejected! Are you kidding me?!

The article speaks for itself...no link is necessary when you read what transpired. Most people can clearly see the slippery slope we are on.

Furthermore, to infer that Republicans are attempting to link pedophilia with homosexuality is utterly appalling.

Just like they don't give enough coverage to other things like abortion because of the same reason.

[Willow]

Just like they don't give enough coverage to other things like abortion because of the same reason.

Maybe this is a location thing because I swear abortion is in the news near daily and it makes me absolutely sick.

Just yesterday alone there was loads of coverage on the woman suing the abortion clinic for her "failed abortion" as well as more details and reactions on ND's ban.


There is no way anyone could avoid the topic here so I have no clue what you're talking about.

[CedarCreek]

Abortion makes the news here a lot too. But this is Texas. Super red state.