Gay Marriage

[Luna]

I don't think no one has changes, their opinion, that is why i think is not exactly about changing opinions but about sharing opinions

Of course people have changed their opinion! I'm not saying people have changed during this thread, just people sometime in their life have obviously had a change of heart because homosexuality is more accepted today than it has been in the past.
What do you mean by this: ?

[Heidi]

Of course people have changed their opinion! I'm not saying people have changed during this thread, just people sometime if their life have obviously had a change of heart because homosexuality is more accepted today than it has been in the past.
What do you mean by this: ?

I think she meant that by having this discussion, did we change any opinions either way. I think no. Discussions probably change very few opinions. Experiences change more.

[jokalima]

I think it's time for you to stop. All the winky and smiley faces in the world aren't going to make anyone think that you are doing anything but reaching for something to prove your point. Which I'm not sure what that is when it comes to your ludicrous views on beastiality. Which I guess in your mind has some connection to gay marriage rights??

Oh.."no offense" and

Stop what exactly?
It has a connection with sin. I honestly don't know why you get so upset about an issue that does happen today. Just because you don't want to talk about ti it won't make it disappear. Just because I mentioned it does not make me the person that you're are implying that I am. I have not insulted you, I have not attacked you in a personal manner so I ask from you only the same. As far as I know, the smileys are here so we can use them, in another Thread not so long ago, someone said that it was a good Idea to use them so people could understand better where we are coming from, and that is how I use them. I know this is a heated topic and I use them to show I am not coming in an aggressive way. I also know, because I have done this for a while now, that when people get upset they start to attack the person instead of idea. And my ludicrous views on bestiality are exactly what? Do I approve it? Do I think is right? But wait, it's not ludicrous to marry a sister or brother? That is a perfect example of choosing by convenience. You don't like it, skip it and don't mention it again.

Oh and "no offense"? I mean, really?

[Luna]

Maybe I worded my question wrong. I didn't mean to ask if this thread discussion has changed anyone's mind. I meant to ask if anyone used to feel differently about this than they do now. Has anyone changed their opinion at any time in their life.
I don't believe anyone's mind will be changed by a discussion, but maybe by life events or circumstances. I'm wondering what those events or circumstances were.

[Lucy]

One vote for closing this.

[jokalima]

Of course people have changed their opinion! I'm not saying people have changed during this thread, just people sometime in their life have obviously had a change of heart because homosexuality is more accepted today than it has been in the past.
What do you mean by this: ?

Ok, maybe I did not understood what you meant, I was talking about people here. People out there? Of course, there is that Republican Senator I think, not sure if he a Senator or not, but anyways... He changed his mind after his son came out. So yes, it does happen, agree with you on that. And my goodness, never thought a smiley would bring so much confusion...At least where I am from a wink is used like something nice, like "hey i'm coming from a nice place" something like that? So yup, maybe I did use it in a wrong way. maybe it was more a
And now is really a

[My3cents]

Animals do not talk. They could not be consenting.

This is ridiculous.

Animals communicate maybe not with words but a good wack on the head is enough to get anyone to understand the word NO- Elephants can't talk but they will fight-

Anyways-

[My3cents]

I'm wondering if anyone here has changed their mind about this issue, or personally knows someone who has had a change of opinion on this matter. I ask because I have always believed as I do now, and I don't personally know anyone who has changed what they believe. Obviously it happens because opinions today are much different than say 50 years ago. Or are people just more open with their thoughts than they were then?
If your opinion has changed, did something happen that caused you to rethink your position? I'm curious because everyone seems to feel very strongly about where they stand and I can't imagine what could shake someone from it.

having a relative that is Gay

[My3cents]

Luna - mine did. 5 years or so ago?

Despite having some pretty conservative values I met three people that changed my entire perspective....the couple I spoke of earlier and a horse trainer who happened to be gay. Before then I knew *of* homosexuals but never had the chance to know any personally. I discovered they aren't monsters, they are no different than anyone else. I saw their families and could no longer justify any prejudice I held. Before then I didn't hate them, but I did think they were different in ways that should have prevented them from being declared legally married. From then on though that thinking made no sense because now they were PEOPLE, not just a label.

Although I am not religious I sure searched my heart and begged God's forgiveness for my misjudgments. I still feel bad about it though I won't let myself forget that if I fudged there I am fallible
in life. I don't know it all, it's not my place to judge....knowing that keeps me humble.

It sickened me to learn that if two women are together for 50 years and one fell ill in the hospital the other wouldn't be allowed to make medical decisions. I love my parents bit it is my SPOUSE who knows my wishes and would be allowed to handle those tough issues. Legally, partners are unable to an that is LUDICROUS. If they adopt children only one can be labeled as an adoptive parent. There is always someone left out in partnerships and no, that's not acceptable to me anymore.


My heart has evolved and I'm so very glad it has. My children will never hear that judgment from me and I think it will help them grow to be more tolerant and peaceful people, which this world definitely needs more of.

[Luna]

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having a relative that is Gay

That would have been my first guess, but I have heard of people who disowned family members who came out. It's good to know that isn't always the case.

[CedarCreek]

Stop what exactly?
It has a connection with sin. I honestly don't know why you get so upset about an issue that does happen today. Just because you don't want to talk about ti it won't make it disappear. Just because I mentioned it does not make me the person that you're are implying that I am. I have not insulted you, I have not attacked you in a personal manner so I ask from you only the same. As far as I know, the smileys are here so we can use them, in another Thread not so long ago, someone said that it was a good Idea to use them so people could understand better where we are coming from, and that is how I use them. I know this is a heated topic and I use them to show I am not coming in an aggressive way. I also know, because I have done this for a while now, that when people get upset they start to attack the person instead of idea. And my ludicrous views on bestiality are exactly what? Do I approve it? Do I think is right? But wait, it's not ludicrous to marry a sister or brother? That is a perfect example of choosing by convenience. You don't like it, skip it and don't mention it again.

Oh and "no offense"? I mean, really?

Yes, really. That's called sarcasm my dear

[CedarCreek]

Animals communicate maybe not with words but a good wack on the head is enough to get anyone to understand the word NO- Elephants can't talk but they will fight-

Anyways-

I don't believe that qualifies as consent if they don't wack someone on the head.

[jokalima]

Yes, really. That's called sarcasm my dear

I really don't see the point of what you are doing or the need for it. What is your objective?

[Blackcat31]

[CedarCreek]

I really don't see the point of what you are doing or the need for it. What is your objective?

That's funny because I don't see the point of your inclusion of beastiality in a gay marriage discussion.

Guess we are both at a loss there, sweetness.

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