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  • blandino
    Daycare.com member
    • Sep 2012
    • 1613

    Feel Like I Am Banging My Head Against a Wall...

    We have a pretty iron clad toilet training policy, due to having many many issues with potty training in the past. In addition to requiring a child to go accident free for two-weeks before wearing underwear, we also don't allow pull-ups or diapers to be worn if they are being used just like diapers. We ask parents to train at home, and when they think their child is ready to full train - then we will start here

    We have a 2.5 yo DCB whose Mom has been pushing PT for a long time. We asked her to start working with him over a weekend (March 2). The following week we were working with him, but he was totally dependent on us bringing him and never recognized the need to go by himself. He was able to release a stream of urine, if you place him on the potty - but he does not go unless you take him. (I understand some providers practice this kind of reminding, but we want children using the toilet without being constantly reminded).

    He has yet to use the toilet by himself, nearly three weeks later. (was out for spring break, and one week was on vacation for 3 days). He will hold his bladder, but will not recognize the sensation of needing to eliminate by himself. And winds up wetting his pants (underwear covered by pull-ups).

    This monday morning DCM brought him in wearing just underwear. Once I realized this, I looked through the extra clothes she sent for the day, and there were NO PULL-UPS. But there were three changes of underwear, I guess in her mind I would have still been putting him in uncovered underwear after the 3rd accident ?!?!?!? :: I have a few spares that I keep, so I put him in one. He wet, and after that I covered his second pair of underwear with a diaper (I didn't want to waste my few spare pull-ups).

    So I told her when she came that he isn't using the toilet for us at all, and she said she would send him with a pull-up to cover his underwear.

    The next day she sends him with a pull-up on top, and he didn't use the toilet at all that day either. So when she comes to pick him up, she says "what do you want me to send him in, pull-ups or just underwear or both. He has come so far I don't want to put him back in diapers".

    I am not the best with confrontation, but I said "If you feel like doing the laundry, then you are free to send him each morning in underwear covered with a pull-up, but if he wets I am going to put him in a diaper" She just kind of laughed and said "so you won't put a new underwear/pull-up on him ?" I said "not if he is using them like diapers".

    DCM didn't show up this morning, and when I called she said she was sick. I really feel like she is upset. I will be honest and say I really wouldn't care if this family left (dealing with this, some severe & unacknowledged speech issues, and mom is a teacher who doesn't pay to hold her spot over the summer) - but I don't like anyone to feel like I was rude to them.

    I feel like she thinks I was rude to her, but at the same time I'm not going to let a child wear underwear when he is using them like a diaper (even if they are covered). I don't want to change wet underwear all day, and I think underwear are a privilege for children who are using the toilet. He is getting the perk of wearing underwear without doing any of the work.

    If he were using the toilet even 1/2 of the time, I would be singing a different tune. But he does not use the toilet at all, and has no business wearing underwear IMHO. But do you all think I was offensive to DCM ?
  • EntropyControlSpecialist
    Embracing the chaos.
    • Mar 2012
    • 7466

    #2
    I don't think you were offensive in the least. Especially since the parents are well aware of your potty training policy! She isn't the special one who gets to have different rules.

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    • blandino
      Daycare.com member
      • Sep 2012
      • 1613

      #3
      Originally posted by EntropyControlSpecialist
      I don't think you were offensive in the least. Especially since the parents are well aware of your potty training policy! She isn't the special one who gets to have different rules.
      I just feel like she is putting me in the position to have to be that way.

      Okay, another question - would you (and everyone else who reads this) let him continue to wear underwear (covered of course) if he was using them as diapers ?

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      • momofboys
        Advanced Daycare Member
        • Dec 2009
        • 2560

        #4
        Originally posted by blandino
        I just feel like she is putting me in the position to have to be that way.

        Okay, another question - would you (and everyone else who reads this) let him continue to wear underwear (covered of course) if he was using them as diapers ?
        No way, if he.is going to have continuous accidents he needs pull ups or diapers but NO underwear.

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        • CedarCreek
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Jan 2013
          • 1600

          #5
          I wouldn't continue to let him wear them either.

          And I'm glad you said something to Mom. I would have loved to have said that.

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          • EntropyControlSpecialist
            Embracing the chaos.
            • Mar 2012
            • 7466

            #6
            Originally posted by blandino
            I just feel like she is putting me in the position to have to be that way.

            Okay, another question - would you (and everyone else who reads this) let him continue to wear underwear (covered of course) if he was using them as diapers ?
            It IS irritating when they try to really push the policies you have set in place.

            No, I wouldn't change them out of underwear and put new ones on. However, I do have one that wears Pull-Ups and uses them like diapers. That child changes their own Pull-Up every single day. If this child is capable of changing the underwear (and placing it into a plastic grocery bag) and putting on a new Pull-Up then I sure would!

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            • blandino
              Daycare.com member
              • Sep 2012
              • 1613

              #7
              Originally posted by CedarCreek
              I wouldn't continue to let him wear them either.

              And I'm glad you said something to Mom. I would have loved to have said that.
              I never have the backbone to say things like that, but it has just passed the point of ridiculous. "He has come so far"... no he hasn't. He has showed zero progress.

              8 weeks until summer. 8 weeks until summer. 8 weeks until summer. And guess who certainly be full in the fall.

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              • EntropyControlSpecialist
                Embracing the chaos.
                • Mar 2012
                • 7466

                #8
                Originally posted by blandino
                I never have the backbone to say things like that, but it has just passed the point of ridiculous. "He has come so far"... no he hasn't. He has showed zero progress.

                8 weeks until summer. 8 weeks until summer. 8 weeks until summer. And guess who certainly be full in the fall.
                It's always SOOOOO nice to magically not have room in the future for a high maintenance parent when they leave on their own accord for whatever reason.

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                • LittleD
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Jun 2011
                  • 395

                  #9
                  I love how parents don't care if they have accidents all over the floor at daycare, but when it comes to their home the kid stays in pull ups/diapers. At least thats what I get here.

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                  • Willow
                    Advanced Daycare.com Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 2683

                    #10
                    Was it offensive to mom?

                    Probably. But only because she's obviously off in lala land about how he's actually doing.

                    I'd tell her plainly:
                    - he doesn't stay dry
                    - he doesn't ask to go here
                    - there is obviously no difference to him between diapers and pull ups
                    - having wet underwear inside a wet pull up doesn't bother him at all

                    I am concerned that having him wet so many pairs of underwear a day is going to desensitize him to ever feeling the need to keep them dry. It's not a big deal, he'll get there when he's ready, but I feel pushing him so hard before that time comes will only hinder his success in the future. I believe diapers are what should be used until he shows progress with awareness and intent, then pull ups should you choose to use them while he transitions, with underwear being the ultimate reward but only for success.

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                    • mamac
                      Tantrum Negotiator
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 772

                      #11
                      Originally posted by blandino
                      I just feel like she is putting me in the position to have to be that way.

                      Okay, another question - would you (and everyone else who reads this) let him continue to wear underwear (covered of course) if he was using them as diapers ?
                      I wouldn't put him in anything but diapers. My ds has just started showing an interest in "big boy underwear" but the first day I put him in them he peed without telling me he had to go. He knows when he has to go because he will hold himself but I told him no underwear until he's ready to tell me he needs to go. I'm not even going with the pull-ups this time around. Used them for maybe a week or so with first ds but he used them like diapers for poop only. As soon as I put him in underwear he didn't like how it felt so he started going on the toilet.

                      To me, I see no point in covering underwear with a diaper unless it's during nap time because that can be a little tougher for them to wake up and go. Otherwise, I'd say underwear is a privilege they have to earn when they are ready to use the toilet on their own.

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                      • cheerfuldom
                        Advanced Daycare.com Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 7413

                        #12
                        strongly agree with willow. letting boy continue using underwear when you know good and well that he isnt going to potty independently is setting him up for failure, desensitizing him to the feel of wet/soiled cotton. putting him in underwear covered with a pull up is giving this mom the feeling that she is sucessfully potty training her child, pull ups feel like progress to a parent, thats why they are so popular. i have a kid here that has been in pull ups for 18 months because mom doesnt want to "regress" to diapers. i dont really care because this now 3.5 year old changes her own soiled pull ups, there is nothing i can do to change this moms mind, and this is the only issue from an otherwise perfect daycare family.

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                        • Willow
                          Advanced Daycare.com Member
                          • May 2012
                          • 2683

                          #13
                          Originally posted by cheerfuldom
                          strongly agree with willow. letting boy continue using underwear when you know good and well that he isnt going to potty independently is setting him up for failure, desensitizing him to the feel of wet/soiled cotton. putting him in underwear covered with a pull up is giving this mom the feeling that she is sucessfully potty training her child, pull ups feel like progress to a parent, thats why they are so popular. i have a kid here that has been in pull ups for 18 months because mom doesnt want to "regress" to diapers. i dont really care because this now 3.5 year old changes her own soiled pull ups, there is nothing i can do to change this moms mind, and this is the only issue from an otherwise perfect daycare family.
                          Holy marthas I'd like to holler that from the mountain tops some days . At first I was like what the heck is the obsession??? Had kids, tried em', but they didn't hold poo for beans, cost a butt load more and certainly didn't inspire much in the way of progress...I just didn't get it.

                          The light bulb eventually went off after seeing enough parents fart around with them forever and it was like OOOOOOHhhhhhh now I get it, it's not about your kiddo at all, it's actually totally about you and what you're THINKING/HOPING is happening here! It's weird because for some parents seems like they're almost seen as some weird badge of honor....MY kid is in pullups, isn't that awesome that he's so advanced for his age??! (while fast forward a year he still can't keep them dry for beans and now screams every time he is even asked to sit on the toilet )

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                          • blandino
                            Daycare.com member
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 1613

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Willow
                            Holy marthas I'd like to holler that from the mountain tops some days . At first I was like what the heck is the obsession??? Had kids, tried em', but they didn't hold poo for beans, cost a butt load more and certainly didn't inspire much in the way of progress...I just didn't get it.

                            The light bulb eventually went off after seeing enough parents fart around with them forever and it was like OOOOOOHhhhhhh now I get it, it's not about your kiddo at all, it's actually totally about you and what you're THINKING/HOPING is happening here! It's weird because for some parents seems like they're almost seen as some weird badge of honor....MY kid is in pullups, isn't that awesome that he's so advanced for his age??! (while fast forward a year he still can't keep them dry for beans and now screams every time he is even asked to sit on the toilet )
                            My mom and I have a running joke that pull-ups should have a one-box limit. I actually encourage my DCP to potty train without pull-ups. They are a glorified diaper & a joke. The only way I think they are acceptable is a for a child who is not yet BM trained, but is peeing on the toilet. And that period of time is usually relatively short.

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                            • snips&snails
                              New Daycare.com Member
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 91

                              #15
                              I am convinced that pullups slow down potty training. They are just a way for diaper companies to squeeze a last chunk of money out of you!!

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