What Is With These Parents Infants Sleeping On Stomach

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  • Willow
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • May 2012
    • 2683

    #31
    Originally posted by Angelsj
    I agree, it is stupid. No way I am going to head home with everyone just because the baby fell asleep! How much safer could they be than in my arms? Or even in a stroller that lays back? They are right there. But take them home and put them in a pack n play in another room and they are safer? Really? Common sense has flown the coop.
    I think the problem with it is as with everything there will be some who would try to take that to the extreme.

    They might make the argument that baby has been sleeping in the stroller a few minutes while on a walk when they actually may have been in there all day. Strollers fold, and have strings, and there are no standards as far as using a 2 year old stroller, a 20 year old one or a pram from the 1800's. What about the provider who uses an old busted up stroller with dangling strings or fabric? Ones that have been sitting outside with critter droppings in/on them. Provider isn't going to sit there and stare at the infant in the stroller, obviously if you're outside you're supervising other kids. It only takes seconds for babies to get into trouble, and in the case of many strollers there's plenty that can occur.


    Unfortunately the irresponsible ones tend to make life incredibly difficult for everyone else. I had a similar conversation with my food program rep about this a couple years ago. It drove me nuts that I couldn't share what I can with my daycare kids, or harvest out of nature when those fruits, veggies and proteins can be super healthy. I couldn't imagine how that made any kind of sense. Then she shared a story about a provider that was canning one day when she stopped in for an unannounced visit. A lot of the tomatoes that were sitting next to the sink were half rotted and she was just slicing off "most of the bad parts because you don't taste the turned parts once they sit in their juice for awhile." Fruit flies were everywhere and hanging above the sink where she was working were fly strips loaded with insects. The woman obviously saw nothing wrong with what she was doing and that is terrifying.

    Additionally, my rep asked if I field dressed my critters in a timely manner. I told her of course. Then she asked me if I knew of anyone who let an animal sit overnight because they couldn't find it. Yeah, sometimes it happens. Did I know of anyone who contemplated doing so even when the temps were iffy? Unfortunately, yes. Did I know of anyone who dragged their critter back and had to wash it off/out because dirt and debris got on it. I suppose. Or who let it hang in a garage for awhile, bagged or quartered pieces and stored them in the snow until they could get them in for processing because they were too big to fit in their freezer......ok I got it. If I knew people who did all that and still ate the meat they harvested what's going to stop some insane idiot from picking up a deer off the side of the road and trying to feed it to their daycare kids save a buck? Although quality in processing can be guaranteed, quality in obtaining that meat, field prep and storage can't.

    I had a hard time imagining worst case scenarios and although it irritates me there are stupid people in the world I realize now most of the rules we have to follow exist to try to curb their ridiculousness.

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    • LaLa1923
      mommyof5-and going crazy
      • Oct 2012
      • 1103

      #32
      Originally posted by blandino
      We have had maybe 3/4 babies enrolled whose parents do that. Do they may use a halo monitor ( or a similar device) at home. I would tell them that baby is having lots of trouble sleeping on her back, since she is used to sleepin on her tummy. If they use something like a halo monitor, you could request that they bring it to you - as well as a dr. note. I would let it be known that the baby isnt sleeping well because of then allowing her to do something you cannot do, and that without either bringing the monitor & note - or adjusting the way they sleep her at home - she is going to continue to sleep poorly.

      Honestly, most of our kids would sleep better on their tummy if we allowed them to. A lot of the time we set up tummy time on the bobby and that gets then to fall asleep pretty quickly. And then they get turned over and put in bed.
      Doctors no longer recommend those machines. Unfortunately, some people don't use common sense. As in, they depend on them and don't check on their baby.
      Last edited by LaLa1923; 03-15-2013, 05:56 PM. Reason: better explanation

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      • LaLa1923
        mommyof5-and going crazy
        • Oct 2012
        • 1103

        #33
        Originally posted by slpender
        I told the parents that i cannot put her on her tummy and it is in my hand book she will adjust I am just surprised by the number of parents that put these little ones on their tummy to sleep.

        My daughter was a back sleeper all the way and she was a great sleeper as a baby at 2.5 she still usually sleeps on her back.
        All three of mine slept on their backs. I chose to make my own decision, since it doesn't seem like the medical community can ever make up their minds.

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        • Angelsj
          Daycare.com Member
          • Aug 2012
          • 1323

          #34
          We have a hard time imagining the crapola because we use common sense.

          I wish I could disagree with you, but I can't. Common sense having flown the coup is not limited to regulations. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just all use our brains to the benefit of others (esp our little charges) and there were no dipsticks out there? Sigh.

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          • Blackcat31
            • Oct 2010
            • 36124

            #35
            Originally posted by Orie
            In our state, providers are not allowed to even let their own infants sleep on their stomachs, or use any blankets in their crib. They will give a $200 fine if they came to inspect a home day care and found any infants sleeping on their stomachs, or have blankets, regardless if it was your own infant, sleeping in your own home. I am thankful my children are all older now, because that would really bother me that I couldn't make that decision on how my own children could sleep in my own home, while they are in my care.
            I think that must be a licensor interpretation as my licensor has said repeatedly that MN rules and regulations DO NOT apply to my own children when in care, other than counting in our ratios.

            In my area, a provider can allow their own children to sleep as they wish.

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            • LaLa1923
              mommyof5-and going crazy
              • Oct 2012
              • 1103

              #36
              Originally posted by LaLa1923
              All three of mine slept on their backs. I chose to make my own decision, since it doesn't seem like the medical community can ever make up their minds.
              I meant bellies! Sorry

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              • mbullette
                New Daycare.com Member
                • Jul 2012
                • 131

                #37
                All three of my kids slept on their bellies and they are still alive. To this day they are still tummy sleepers. If that is what the the parent decides to do then that is their choice. If you dont want them sleeping on their tummy while they are in your care then put her on her back. Everyone has their own opinion and I think we as sitters need to respect that.

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                • Unregistered

                  #38
                  Originally posted by mbullette
                  All three of my kids slept on their bellies and they are still alive. To this day they are still tummy sleepers. If that is what the the parent decides to do then that is their choice. If you dont want them sleeping on their tummy while they are in your care then put her on her back. Everyone has their own opinion and I think we as sitters need to respect that.
                  I think the issue is that it's not so simple as to say "it's the parents right so we need to respect that" if the child can't sleep on their back and scream all day long out of exhaustion, then it becomes a day care problem. If the parent has to put baby in day care, then they bear some responsibility in getting baby ready for a dc situation. And since most providers have to follow state regs, their hands are tied. Parents can have all the opinions they want, but if they want are doing things at home that make it difficult/impossible for baby to adjust the they need to be prepared to lose the day care spot.

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                  • Blackcat31
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 36124

                    #39
                    Originally posted by mbullette
                    All three of my kids slept on their bellies and they are still alive. To this day they are still tummy sleepers. If that is what the the parent decides to do then that is their choice. If you dont want them sleeping on their tummy while they are in your care then put her on her back. Everyone has their own opinion and I think we as sitters need to respect that.
                    Parents can NOT give a provider permission to do something that is against regulations.

                    If a provider is NOT allowed to let a child sleep on their stomach, then the parents bear the responsibility of helping/training their child to be comfortable sleeping on their back.

                    I am also NOT a sitter. I am a child care provider that will NEVER assume the liability of doing something incorrectly or against my licensing regulations simply because it is the parents wishes.

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                    • mema
                      Daycare.com Member
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 1979

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Blackcat31
                      I think that must be a licensor interpretation as my licensor has said repeatedly that MN rules and regulations DO NOT apply to my own children when in care, other than counting in our ratios.

                      In my area, a provider can allow their own children to sleep as they wish.
                      Definitely up to the licensor because here rules do apply to your own. Bassinets cannot be used for dck or your own during dc hours. I'm glad mine were older when I started because as littles they loved their bassinet and would not sleep in their cribs for the first few months.

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