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  • MarinaVanessa
    Family Childcare Home
    • Jan 2010
    • 7211

    #16
    Originally posted by Country Kids
    Interesting!!! They were talking about some stuff that was going on with Ca. with it.

    Maybe just not in your area?
    No nothing in CA yet, they are only in the pilot testing program for daycare centers and aren't sure if they will consider it for family child care or not. I am in touch with my area's coordinator and they are calling it the QRIS program here (Quality Rating and Improvement Program).

    One of my concerns is that it turn out to be much like what other provider's have experienced in their states:
    1) state claiming that the program is optional but works against you if you choose not to participate
    2) state offering incentives to families that choose provider's that participate either by
    a) state giving families financial incentives (direct checks to them)
    b) state sending check to provider as partial payment for a family that chooses a provider in the program and then the state taking a portion of it as payment for dues for their state's family child care union even if the provider doesn't want to participate in the union
    3) no clear/concrete guidelines as to what is expected in order to be rated (much how like licensing regulations are based on interpretation)
    4) high score requirements (4 or 5 stars out 5 stars) include achieving a college degree which is extremely difficult for family child care provider's to obtain due to time and financial restraints.
    5) high score requirements based on the amount of space you have much like how the FCCERS won't allow a score higher than 3 (out of 7) in "Active physical play" unless you have an average size yard and no more than a 5 if you don't have at least 2 types of play surfaces (family child care providers that live in an apartment without a patio or deck cannot get higher than a 3).

    I also have a concern about what a couple child care providers here are saying about how the state claims that the program is optional and separate from the family child care union (which they also claim is optional) but if you participate in the QRIS program and as a provider you receive funding incentives from joining the program or accept subsidized child care then you are automatically enlisted into the union and are forced to have payment for union dues deducted from your payments.

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    • Blackcat31
      • Oct 2010
      • 36124

      #17
      Originally posted by MarinaVanessa
      No nothing in CA yet, they are only in the pilot testing program for daycare centers and aren't sure if they will consider it for family child care or not. I am in touch with my area's coordinator and they are calling it the QRIS program here (Quality Rating and Improvement Program).

      One of my concerns is that it turn out to be much like what other provider's have experienced in their states:
      1) state claiming that the program is optional but works against you if you choose not to participate
      2) state offering incentives to families that choose provider's that participate either by
      a) state giving families financial incentives (direct checks to them)
      b) state sending check to provider as partial payment for a family that chooses a provider in the program and then the state taking a portion of it as payment for dues for their state's family child care union even if the provider doesn't want to participate in the union
      3) no clear/concrete guidelines as to what is expected in order to be rated (much how like licensing regulations are based on interpretation)
      4) high score requirements (4 or 5 stars out 5 stars) include achieving a college degree which is extremely difficult for family child care provider's to obtain due to time and financial restraints.
      5) high score requirements based on the amount of space you have much like how the FCCERS won't allow a score higher than 3 (out of 7) in "Active physical play" unless you have an average size yard and no more than a 5 if you don't have at least 2 types of play surfaces (family child care providers that live in an apartment without a patio or deck cannot get higher than a 3).

      I also have a concern about what a couple child care providers here are saying about how the state claims that the program is optional and separate from the family child care union (which they also claim is optional) but if you participate in the QRIS program and as a provider you receive funding incentives from joining the program or accept subsidized child care then you are automatically enlisted into the union and are forced to have payment for union dues deducted from your payments.
      I have the info for L.A county if you are interested. I believe it is only in the pilot phase but don't know for sure as I haven't read any of the info really indepthly.

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      • MarinaVanessa
        Family Childcare Home
        • Jan 2010
        • 7211

        #18
        Originally posted by Blackcat31
        I have the info for L.A county if you are interested. I believe it is only in the pilot phase but don't know for sure as I haven't read any of the info really indepthly.
        I'll take whatever you can give me. Crystal had given me the main contact numbers for the area specialists and that's how I got a hold of the person in charge of my area. She told me that the CA program had just started the pilot program and that after the results of the pilot they would determine whether or not to implement (3 year pilot). As for family child care she hadn't heard yet from Sacramento whether they would open up the QRIS program to FCC, if you have something that says otherwise I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE it.

        I'm all over this issue like white on rice. I originally called her to see if I could be placed on the pilot program, I want to try it before I buy it .

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        • Crystal
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 4002

          #19
          Originally posted by MarinaVanessa
          I'll take whatever you can give me. Crystal had given me the main contact numbers for the area specialists and that's how I got a hold of the person in charge of my area. She told me that the CA program had just started the pilot program and that after the results of the pilot they would determine whether or not to implement (3 year pilot). As for family child care she hadn't heard yet from Sacramento whether they would open up the QRIS program to FCC, if you have something that says otherwise I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE it.

          I'm all over this issue like white on rice. I originally called her to see if I could be placed on the pilot program, I want to try it before I buy it .
          I am in it. Just got the letter last week. So many were interested in it that we have a waitlist. I was fortunate enough to be chosen to participate. They are starting with consulting with us, and they are offering college classes for free, including text books. Classes are at the local college but are not offered to anyone other than those in the QRIS and all classes are offered in the evening to accomodate provider schedules. There is absolutely NOTHING that requires us to participate in a union, take state subsidized children, etc. Each county will make their own rules and it is only in 9 counties to date. I, for one, am VERY excited about it.

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          • snbauser
            Daycare.com Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 1385

            #20
            Originally posted by Country Kids
            Oh, yes I will probably be disappearing as there is no "personal" media time (facebook, tv, computor, nooks,ipads,etc) during childcare hours. I think this is really going to really back fire as they even meant naptime. The lady couldn't believe I was asking for clarification on this and it was commented, "during nap you need to be there watching the children!"
            This is actually a licensing regulation here. We aren't supposed to do anything on the computer, reading, etc. while the kids are sleeping. We are supposed to sit here and watch them sleep.

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            • Blackcat31
              • Oct 2010
              • 36124

              #21
              Originally posted by MarinaVanessa
              I'll take whatever you can give me. Crystal had given me the main contact numbers for the area specialists and that's how I got a hold of the person in charge of my area. She told me that the CA program had just started the pilot program and that after the results of the pilot they would determine whether or not to implement (3 year pilot). As for family child care she hadn't heard yet from Sacramento whether they would open up the QRIS program to FCC, if you have something that says otherwise I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE it.

              I'm all over this issue like white on rice. I originally called her to see if I could be placed on the pilot program, I want to try it before I buy it .
              I sent you the info I have

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              • MarinaVanessa
                Family Childcare Home
                • Jan 2010
                • 7211

                #22
                Originally posted by Crystal
                I am in it. Just got the letter last week. So many were interested in it that we have a waitlist. I was fortunate enough to be chosen to participate. They are starting with consulting with us, and they are offering college classes for free, including text books. Classes are at the local college but are not offered to anyone other than those in the QRIS and all classes are offered in the evening to accomodate provider schedules. There is absolutely NOTHING that requires us to participate in a union, take state subsidized children, etc. Each county will make their own rules and it is only in 9 counties to date. I, for one, am VERY excited about it.
                Yes I remember you mentioning this to me before when you gave me the information to the program in CA. From what the director in my area told me (she could just be misinformed) she told me that the program in CA is only in the pilot program in certain counties but that it is in no way going to be statewide yet. She said that they are testing the program and getting feedback from the participants in order to create a good program for when it does go statewide. In my area only the centers are being used for the pilot program. No word yet on FCC.

                Like you, I am excited too and think that if done correctly the QRIS program will be an amazing thing to have and be able to be a part of. I think that if they provided incentives for the providers as well as the families that choose QRIS rated child care (as they seem to be doing in Sacramento), they have different criteria for centers than they do FCC (as in they take into account that center employees have a better chance of continuing their education and having the center work around their schedule, and FCC has less $$$ to throw around for improvements etc), a college degree isn't a requirement that will make it impossible for a FCC provider to rate a high overall score (I have taken all of the available evening and internet college courses that I am able to take and still need more classes to get an AA in child development which are all only available during the day so I can't take them) etc then I think that overall there will be a positive response from FCC providers in CA.

                According to the link that BlackCat gave me some centers/FCCs got their ratings as long as back in 2007 which means that LA County has been doing it for a while. From what I read they also offer up to $5,000 in incentives to improve your program and this is also offered to both centers and FCC. This would totally be an incentive worthwhile for any provider (in my opinion) to get them to at least try out the QRIS program. I so wish I could be a part of this.

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                • EAP
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 223

                  #23
                  Originally posted by snbauser
                  This is actually a licensing regulation here. We aren't supposed to do anything on the computer, reading, etc. while the kids are sleeping. We are supposed to sit here and watch them sleep.
                  Is that new? I thought we have to be able to hear them if they are asleep but not visually supervising. You also can't have any closed doors between you and the children who are napping.

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                  • HomeMADE
                    New Daycare.com Member
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 85

                    #24
                    Yep, TN has it also. You can't get any stars here until you have been open for 1 year.
                    It is a lot of red tape and paperwork. Some of the things seem to only apply to a daycare center.
                    HomeMADE

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