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  • daycarediva
    Daycare.com Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 11698

    Would You Consider This?

    A former client of mine that was here for 4+ years & aged out, left on good terms, SA girl/12, has special needs (severe ADHD, aspergers).

    Her Mom called me yesterday evening stating that dcg wasn't doing well home alone after school AT ALL. That she was upset to the point of tears within 2 hours alone (home at 2:30, Mom is getting out as early as possible-4:15, home by 4:30). But really needs to work until 5.

    I took this dcg on as a client because her Mom was literally in tears when she called me, desperate, with nowhere for dcg to go the following day. Dcg had been kicked out of every single program that accepted SA kids in our school district (no lie, I checked!) Mainly it was because providers weren't used to dealing with a child with special needs, dcg wasn't trusting and said many times "You will just kick me out too so it doesn't matter what I do!" I promised her I would NEVER kick her out, and I stuck by it (even at times when I wanted to because of behavior!) Since the first year, dcg was a gem, a few issues that were to be expected, but nothing major. I typically only take SA kids with a younger sib in care, but HAVE made exceptions to this (for this dcg previously).

    Here are the issues- she is in 6th grade, and in special needs classes. My dd is in 8th, at the same school. DD doesn't want to ride the bus with dcg. I was pretty upset with dd over this---(she has a special needs brother!) but after she talked to me about what dcg would do/say previously that she never told me, I understand. (dcg would tell kids on the bus about dd, that they were best friends, that dd got in trouble, that dd wet the bed, that dd liked a certain boy, etc) some of it true, some not but obviously embarassing to dd.

    If I had known about this, I beleive I could have stopped the behavior but dd didn't want to get dcg in any more trouble.

    My program is really geared towards kids under 8. Dcg is immature and did well with the little kids, little kid toys, etc. She would be here from 2:30-5:30 after school and on most non school days.

    My question is, would you accept this dcg back into care? She has been gone since early Sept, so I am guessing her transition won't be easy. I also don't want to embarass her, so I think if I tell parents she is my helper that would be better if I were to accept her? wwyd?
  • laundrymom
    Advanced Daycare.com Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 4177

    #2
    I would. I wouldn't lie though, I'd tell her that moms schedule is too long for her to have to stay alone.

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    • laundrymom
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 4177

      #3
      For the record, I didnt let my own kids stay home alone until they were 14.

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      • cheerfuldom
        Advanced Daycare.com Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 7413

        #4
        I would have a frank talk about the bus situation out of respect for your daughters needs and definitely put this girl on a trial basis. but i wouldnt lie and say that this girl was your helper....well I would let her help if possible but i wouldnt "sell" it to the parents as if their daughter is there to help. i mean she clearly needs supervision still and shouldnt be given responsibility that she is not ready for. plus you dont want the mom to feel that "helper status" means that she will get a discount or free care.

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        • countrymom
          Daycare.com Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 4874

          #5
          has her attitude change (the dcg) because she hasn't been with you in a while. Does your dd see that she is worse on the bus. Why is she being kicked out. Can the mom find someone to stay with her for atleast an hour at home. I understand where you dd is coming from, its hard when someone on the bus is always embarressing you or saying things that aren't true, because it can be damaging to your dd and then you have a whole other problem to deal with.

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          • daycarediva
            Daycare.com Member
            • Jul 2012
            • 11698

            #6
            Originally posted by laundrymom
            For the record, I didnt let my own kids stay home alone until they were 14.
            I let my dd stay home alone for short periods of time, if I run to the store during the day, etc. She is almost 14.

            I would never let a 12 yo stay home alone, but per state regs when dcg turned 12 I HAD to let her go as her dr refused to sign the form to allow her to continue in care.

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            • daycarediva
              Daycare.com Member
              • Jul 2012
              • 11698

              #7
              Originally posted by cheerfuldom
              I would have a frank talk about the bus situation out of respect for your daughters needs and definitely put this girl on a trial basis. but i wouldnt lie and say that this girl was your helper....well I would let her help if possible but i wouldnt "sell" it to the parents as if their daughter is there to help. i mean she clearly needs supervision still and shouldnt be given responsibility that she is not ready for. plus you dont want the mom to feel that "helper status" means that she will get a discount or free care.
              I am not selling it to her Mom, but I am not sure what my other daycare parents would think of a 12+ yo in a prek setting. I agree about a good, long trial basis.

              When she was here previously, she was a big help. Setting tables at meal times, clearing the table, helping tie shoes, that sort of thing. All under my direct supervision of course. It made her feel 'important'.

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              • daycarediva
                Daycare.com Member
                • Jul 2012
                • 11698

                #8
                Originally posted by countrymom
                has her attitude change (the dcg) because she hasn't been with you in a while. Does your dd see that she is worse on the bus. Why is she being kicked out. Can the mom find someone to stay with her for atleast an hour at home. I understand where you dd is coming from, its hard when someone on the bus is always embarressing you or saying things that aren't true, because it can be damaging to your dd and then you have a whole other problem to deal with.
                I haven't spoken to dcg since I saw her in the store with her Mom in December.

                She was kicked out for refusing to participate, lying about other kids, stomping off when angry, saying mean things ("I hate you" was quite common when she was 8), she was accused of purposefully pushing a child off of a swing at the YMCA during a field trip (dcg was NEVER violent here).

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                • countrymom
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 4874

                  #9
                  that sounds exactly like the boy that I was watching. He too was diagnosed as adhd. He pulled the same stunts as your dcg. But I started watching him really closely, and what I realized was, that he wasn't really adhd (thats a whole other story) he was acually looking for attention and wanted someone to listen to him. Once he started getting one on one, someone was listening to him and there were consaqueces for really bad things, he was really good.

                  this kid was in daycare since he was an infant from morning to night. So he spent very little time with his parents. So as he got older he got worse, but I think he was looking for attention from his parents. Even others started to notice this. His dad had such a bad temper that anything would set him off, he would just grab all the toys and throw them in the garbage. So he started to misbehave and have anger issues at school (attitudes that he learned at home) so mom went and got him diagnosed as adhd because she couldn't deal with him anymore (they were all about me kind of parents)

                  I'm wondering if this girl is the same way, she is looking for the attention, thats why she is good for you, but maybe she just needs help fitting in with her peers.

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                  • Crazy In Mo
                    New Daycare.com Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 177

                    #10
                    I think calling her a "helper" would be REALLY good for her

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                    • laundrymom
                      Advanced Daycare.com Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 4177

                      #11
                      I wouldn't worry about the other parents.

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                      • daycarediva
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 11698

                        #12
                        Originally posted by countrymom
                        that sounds exactly like the boy that I was watching. He too was diagnosed as adhd. He pulled the same stunts as your dcg. But I started watching him really closely, and what I realized was, that he wasn't really adhd (thats a whole other story) he was acually looking for attention and wanted someone to listen to him. Once he started getting one on one, someone was listening to him and there were consaqueces for really bad things, he was really good.

                        this kid was in daycare since he was an infant from morning to night. So he spent very little time with his parents. So as he got older he got worse, but I think he was looking for attention from his parents. Even others started to notice this. His dad had such a bad temper that anything would set him off, he would just grab all the toys and throw them in the garbage. So he started to misbehave and have anger issues at school (attitudes that he learned at home) so mom went and got him diagnosed as adhd because she couldn't deal with him anymore (they were all about me kind of parents)

                        I'm wondering if this girl is the same way, she is looking for the attention, thats why she is good for you, but maybe she just needs help fitting in with her peers.
                        I agree. Dcg definitely has aspergers/high functioning autism. She has a photographic memory and is quite bright. She needs a 1:1 aide in school to keep her on track. I disagree with the ADHD dx, but I am not her Mom.... sooo...

                        She really needs help fitting in. Because of the aspergers her social skills are VERY impaired. I really think she needs more behaioral therapy. I made her social stories about proper behavior here, at home, school, at the park, etc. I even taught her some 'chit chat' skills.

                        She loved being praised for helping, hence why I mentioned calling her a 'helper' to my other parents (who all liked her, so did the kids)

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                        • kimsdaycare
                          Daycare.com Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 118

                          #13
                          If you feel she will do well with you, absolutely take her! I've had several older children in "extended" care over the years. Some just didn't like the after school programs, some had issues that prevented them from fitting in well with similar aged children on a social level and the oldest one I had was a girl that had come home to a house that had just been burglarized ~ very scary for her. In all cases, we treated their situation just as it was, they wanted to come home to someplace that felt like home kwim? The oldest girl wasn't even a previous dck and coming here with the littles was never an issue at all, she just knew all too well that being old enough to be alone didn't mean she wanted to be.

                          I have had children in care that would embarrass my own in the school setting as well. It was horrible at the time, but I must say that as my children grew, they learned a LOT of empathy for why these kids did/said hurtful and embarrassing things and often became the only friend some of these kids felt like they had in school. It developed a character in them that I am very proud of, and it sounds like your dd has developed quite a bit of that herself.

                          I would be very careful to not take this girl at her expense though. The ones I had had always been here, terminating was not an option we even considered, careful thought would have been given to getting back into a situation like that. It easier to decline from the get go than it is to terminate later if things aren't working.

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                          • butterfly
                            Daycare.com Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 1627

                            #14
                            As a parent of a child with Asperger's, I wouldn't hesitate at all to take this child again. I definitely would make her "work" while she's there and I think she'd actually enjoy the responsibility and could actually be a huge help for you. I don't do care for school age children at all, but if I were presented with this situation, I certainly would agree to do it.

                            I'm very impressed that you have gone as far as creating social stories, etc. Social stories have helped my son a great deal too. You should be applauded for going the extra mile with this child. She'll NEVER forget it!!

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                            • countrymom
                              Daycare.com Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 4874

                              #15
                              I think this child had aspergers and not adhd, and he had social skill problems too.

                              Let me tell you something. My dd is 12 and doesn't have many friends (has 2 good ones but they are all odd ball ) but anyways, there was this girl in girl guides and last year she was mean to my dd (this girl would hang out with another girl) well my dd and this girl moved up to a higher level. And because this girl was mean to the other girls no one wanted to be her friend. As time went on, I found out that she didn't have many friends, and acually had a hard time making friends. So I told my dd to go and befriend her. Well as it turned out, they are really great friends. They really click. All my dd did was give her a chance. Her mom thanked me the other day when I was in michaels.

                              then my odd had a 13 birthday party and she invited everyone. 2 of the boys that came had issues (adhd, aspergers...) so one of the moms stayed because she wasn't sure how her son would do. But my dh went over to the other kids and told them that they needed to include everyone. When it was done, everyone had a great time. And the mom came up to me and thanked me so much because no one had every invited him to anything.

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