Gun Control

[Scout]

Ask Great Britain and Australia how those policies are working for them:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

http://www.wnd.com/2001/03/8340/

This Australia article is 11 years old. And as for Britian...

http://www.juancole.com/2012/07/58-murders-a-year-by-firearms-in-britain-8775-in-us.html

[Scout]

Ask Great Britain and Australia how those policies are working for them:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

http://www.wnd.com/2001/03/8340/

Here is another interesting link. I am not trying to argue with anyone. It is my opinion that guns are too readily available in this country & this article shows you that our country is the worst as far as mass shootings! Definitely something we NEED to improve on ASAP. IMO, that starts with Gun Control.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/timeline-worst-mass-shootings-globe-article-1.1220608

[Scout]

Ask Great Britain and Australia how those policies are working for them:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

http://www.wnd.com/2001/03/8340/

This is the last one! This one speaks volumes, IMHO.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list

[Blackcat31]

This Australia article is 11 years old. And as for Britian...

http://www.juancole.com/2012/07/58-m...775-in-us.html

Here is another interesting link. I am not trying to argue with anyone. It is my opinion that guns are too readily available in this country & this article shows you that our country is the worst as far as mass shootings! Definitely something we NEED to improve on ASAP. IMO, that starts with Gun Control.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1220608

This is the last one! This one speaks volumes, IMHO.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...hip-world-list

There is NO other country in the world that lives like people in the United States do so to compare any other country's gun laws and the number of fatalities due to guns is like comparing apples to oranges. IMHO, it is just NOT a valid argument.

Fwiw~ Since this whole tragedy has happened, twice as many children have lost their lives to abuse (many of them by their own parents).

Children die every day in rediculous acts of carelessness, violence and neglect. Sadly we don't give any of those deaths near the attention this situation has garnered and despite the atrocious manner in which this particular situation occured, the unnecessary death of any child deserves the same "fight"/attention.

[Scout]

There is NO other country in the world that lives like people in the United States do so to compare any other country's gun laws and the number of fatalities due to guns is like comparing apples to oranges. IMHO, it is just NOT a valid argument.

Fwiw~ Since this whole tragedy has happened, twice as many children have lost their lives to abuse (many of them by their own parents).

Children die every day in rediculous acts of carelessness, violence and neglect. Sadly we don't give any of those deaths near the attention this situation has garnered and despite the atrocious manner in which this particular situation occured, the unnecessary death of any child deserves the same "fight"/attention.

That is terrible! I can not imagine doing anything to hurt a child, especially my own, I do not read facts like this because for me, in that situation, ignorance is bliss! FWIW-I was just answering Willow's post about Britain & Australia. She was answering a rhetorical question I had posted, which made me curious as to what went on in other countries. I didn't even look into it until I saw hers, then I got curious.

[Crystal]

Gun deaths set to outstrip car fatalities for first time in 2015

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-deaths-set-outstrip-car-fatalities-first-time-152632492.html

[Blackcat31]

Interesting statistics about attacks in primary schools. Going back to 1764.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools

Not saying the current situation isn't the worst, it is by no means the first that happend in a primary or elementary school.

I think the media makes the stories much more available and accessible ot the public.

Here is the list for attacks at secondary schools. My community is on the list. October 5, 1966

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_secondary_schools

[Greenplasticwateringcans]

Yes as it turns out the 20 year old shooter was diagnosed with aspergers, depression and ADHD. I believe there was something else as well. The brother was cuestiones and apparently has said that he had a long history of depression and mental health issues. The mom was a gun hoarder (believed in having a surplus of guns in case of a natural or national disaster). What I want to know is why did this person have access to these guns in the first place when his family knew he had mental health problems.



This is true. He used a bushmaster AR-15 much like the one that I myself own. Heres the thing ... It is NOT a military or law enforcement rifle. It looks like one but is not powerful enough to be used as one. This gun was specifically made for civilians in mind that wanted the look of a military weapon. It is a semi automatic weapon because it can hold multiple rounds that can be fired quickly without having to manually load each bullet intom the chamber (unlike Lets say a hunting rifle) and has a magazine that can hold many rounds.

My .45 handguns work pretty much the same however except that Its MUCH faster for me to reload my handgun than my AR-15. In CA we have restrictions on the AR-15 such as limiting the number of rounds a magazine can take to only 10 (almost like a handgun) and not having an automatic release for the magazine making reloading much much longer. This I agree with. Why not put limiters and reduce the amount If time it takes to reload a weapon. It then makes it much like owning a handgun. I would also be ok with submitting myself to mantatory training or a test and even a psych evaluation before being able to purchase any firearm. Those are all reasonable suggestions to me, completely banning semi automatic weapons are not. I just cant justify taking them away from everyone because of a few bad apples with mental problems.

Btw we already had a semi automatic rifle ban that Bill Clinton signed back in like 1996 I think that was eventually removed because it did nothing to reduce assault rifle crimes. People still found a way to get their hands on them and since you cant go around collecting every semi automatic that everyone owned only ban the sales of new ones there were still many out there.

*I apologize for any grammar and spelling ... Im on my phone

Aspergers is not a mental illness.

[Country Kids]

Interesting statistics about attacks in primary schools. Going back to 1764.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools

Not saying the current situation isn't the worst, it is by no means the first that happend in a primary or elementary school.

I think the media makes the stories much more available and accessible ot the public.

Here is the list for attacks at secondary schools. My community is on the list. October 5, 1966

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ondary_schools

Haven't had time to read each and everyone but all I have to say is "China better be getting rid of the knives over there." I'm wondering how they are able to kill/injure so many people with a knife! It seems people would be able to run or fight off an attacker (especially when there are so many in one spot). It seems maybe they would be able to get one or two but not in the 20's! Wow, thats alot of people.

[My3cents]

Aspergers is not a mental illness.

Shooting your mother and 6 adults and 20 kids is!!!!!!

IS MENTAL ILLNESS

[My3cents]

I would be concerned about teachers having guns on them in the classroom with 20+ students. Perhaps not so much with younger students, but how about with older students that were aware the teacher had a gun on them. How difficult would it be for an out of control student, or group of students to catch the teacher off gaurd and take the gun?

Bingo!

or another teacher that has gone mad- or a madman coming in and just taking it from the teacher and going nuts- the possibilities of a not so good outcome are higher here in my 3cents.

This is why I said think about it in my earlier response-

[Blackcat31]

Here is a good solution IMHO. (copied and pasted from another site)

"Bush signed a law that allowed concealed carry for retired police officers. It also provided a measure of indemnification to protect the retiree from what would be violations of state and local CC laws.

The idea was this would allow retired police to volunteer or take security positions at local schools.

Retired police have the knowledge and the temperament to handle a crisis situation and to recognize a potential threat. The key in the law was it protected the retiree from criminal and civil prosecution in most cases in regards to concealed carry. Federal law trumping state and local authority."

http://www.fop.net/legislative/issues/hr218/hr218faq.pdf

[Blackcat31]

A school district in rural Texas implemented a staff concealed carry program over 5 years ago.

http://permianbasin360.com/fulltext?nxd_id=238812

"Safety is his biggest priority, Mendez offers a different solution.

"How about the idea of peace, peace-keeping and non-violence?" said Mendez.

But regardless of how some people feel about teachers packing heat, Harrold ISD says their system is working for them, and could potentially work for schools across the country.

"These shootings are not taking place where there are armed security guards, and there are people there protected," said Thweatt. "They are happening where everyone is unarmed."

[Scout]

Interesting statistics about attacks in primary schools. Going back to 1764.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools

Not saying the current situation isn't the worst, it is by no means the first that happend in a primary or elementary school.

I think the media makes the stories much more available and accessible ot the public.

Here is the list for attacks at secondary schools. My community is on the list. October 5, 1966

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ondary_schools

My community is on the second list 3 times! One dead on Nov. 7, 94; one dead on Oct. 10, 07; and the worst was just this year on Feb. 27, three died. Maybe this is why I feel so strongly about gun control. My in laws went to one of the wakes in February & waited in line 3 hours to give their condolences to the family of one of the victims. DS goes to preschool in the first city from 1994...just all too close to home! This is a list I would not want to have in common with you BC! Thanks for the links.

[DBug]

This whole debate really boils my blood, so I'll keep my mouth shut ::

However, I did want to add this link to provide a little bit of international perspective Gun Laws in Canada Help Counter US-Style Massacres

The comment section is quite diverse, and has alot of food for thought ...