Need help before going to a brainstorming meeting!!

[Country Kids]

Creative Curriculum is FABULOUS!!!!! I think, given a chance, you would LOVE it!!! It is very play and relationship based!!! And, see, you have an option of arguing to use your own curriculum!! That is GOOD!

See though I use all types of curriculum depending on the year. This year we are finishing up MGT, next year I'm using another curriculum, then I probably will just be using everything up and not have a curriculum. Kinda like what ever is left is used.

[daycare]

I'll fly down and be your first member-

Oh, I so know what you mean about paying for schooling. My daugher only received loans! No job, no saving, no nothing and has loans. I know they go off of our income but last time I checked our family was making less then the year before. Very, very frustrating. Its like we fall in that whole of not being poor enough/rich enough. Just the middle man=

yeah well my husband just finished medical school and let me tell you how broke we are about to be. Lets just say his first 5 years of work will just about cover it, but that would mean we are applying every penny that he makes to his loans...Yeah not going to happen.

I guess really, there is no greater fear than the fear of the unknown and not knowing where this is leading, scares me....

[Crystal]

What if your stars are kinda all over the place? How will that work? Say you have 3/4/5 but not everything is lining up.

Here, is an overall score, so it will be calculated much like the FCCRS, however you have to mewet everything in the 1 star section to go to the 2. After that they add the numbers up and you are given your stars based on the total number, not each category.

[daycare]

OMG I am going to pass out....

looked into some of the cost of these programs, creative curriculum is


Price: $2,149.00

Really, who is going to pay for that? ME?????

[Country Kids]

Here, is an overall score, so it will be calculated much like the FCCRS, however you have to mewet everything in the 1 star section to go to the 2. After that they add the numbers up and you are given your stars based on the total number, not each category.

Here you just have to have a liscense to get 1 star.

2 stars mean you will commit to the program

3 stars is where everything starts falling into place.

Alot of providers (older) will probably stick with 1 star.

[Country Kids]

OMG I am going to pass out....

looked into some of the cost of these programs, creative curriculum is


Price: $2,149.00

Really, who is going to pay for that? ME?????

What !!!!!!!!

I thought it was just books we were having to order-

I have an instantly bad headache all of a sudden!

[Crystal]

OMG I am going to pass out....

looked into some of the cost of these programs, creative curriculum is


Price: $2,149.00

Really, who is going to pay for that? ME?????

You won't be required to use that. And, Ca. WILL be providing resources, so many things will be provided for you! Please, refresh my memory, what County are you in? Your county may not even participate until 2015 if you are not one og the 17 counties involved right now. They will also be paying for college coursework

[daycare]

You won't be required to use that. And, Ca. WILL be providing resources, so many things will be provided for you! Please, refresh my memory, what County are you in? Your county may not even participate until 2015 if you are not one og the 17 counties involved right now. They will also be paying for college coursework

contra costa, but moving to santa clara in about 5 months

[Country Kids]

OH MY GOSH!!!!

Lucy, I haven't forgot the original question! I emailed you some names I thought were catchy.

[Blackcat31]

I wonder, will it count if you take some refresher courses? I disagree with them discounting degrees that were achieved 5 years ago, but if it was 10-15-20 years ago, there should def. be some requirement to update the degree, as a lot of research has changed the way ECE is viewed.

Yes, you can take refresher courses....well they aren't even refresher courses, you just have to take a certain courses that they approve and what is getting under everyone's skin is those courses are repeats of what we already spent 100's, if not 1,000 of hours and dollars already taking these courses in college to earn the degree.

Why not give credit for the courses taken, offer a refresher or even offer a part two of the course rather than require the provider to give up their time off to take a class they already took?

For example, Observation and Evaluation. I took this course in college for a full semester. Worth 4 credits. QRIS requires that I take this course again (in a condensed 6-8 week time line) at my own expense and on my own time yet openly admits that I will not be learning any new information as the course was designed for those providers that have never done any evaluating and/or observing training.

What a complete waste of everyone's time and money.

Why not offer me an extention of what I was already taught or offer me an updated course?

Plus, you say the money for this comes from the federal government...where does the federal government get it? I highly doubt the President is writting a check out of his own pocket to fund these grants.

Same goes for the "bonus" money they are offering providers in my state to sign up. They will give you $550-1000 to sign up and start implementing the rating system within my program but the things I am allowed to spend this grant money is laughable at best....

[Country Kids]

"Plus, you say the money for this comes from the federal government...where does the federal government get it? I highly doubt the President is writting a check out of his own pocket to fund these grants."

I was just thinking the same thing as I went to take some aspirin! If CA/OR/WA is doing this plus other start up states where is the government getting this money from.

Use it to pay down the debts of our country!! The kids are really going to be ok, our debts are not.

[Willow]

Would you say the same for restaraunts, medical facilities, dental offices, elementary schools etc?

Absolutely, across the board.

I definitley think more rules would help stop people like her. Just knowing the requirements to meet the standards would scare alot of people like her away from ever even considering opening a child care program.

Please tell me how more rules and regulations written down in a state licensing policy handbook would have prevented Jessica Tata from leaving the children in her care alone while she left the premises with a boiling pot of oil on her stove.......

Because I can tell you how enforcement would have.

The money to support the QRIS is coming from the federal government.

And where do you think the federal government is getting "their" money from?


A degree is nothing more than a promise made by a stranger. "I have this paper so please trust my intentions are good."

I disagree, and am actually insulted by this remark. I ahve worked VERY hard and will finally have my Master's Degree in May. I actually did it for myself, not for my business, but it shows to parents that I am committed to my work with children, that I care about what is Developmentally appropriate for their children, that I am knowledgeable and concerned about best practices. My degree is not at all a piece of paper that I use to make people think I am doing a good job when I am not.

This isn't about you though. It is what it is. Earning a degree has nothing to do with a persons ability or desire to execute what they learned. Just because you may choose to use it and use it well, doesn't mean by a long shot all or even many people do. I know so many people who have degrees who either don't use them at all or they stink at what they do despite them. A degree is not a guarantee that anyone will ever use what they learned or use it appropriately.

Your last sentence contradicts the rest of your above. If you aren't using your degree to make people think you are doing a good job then why do you say you are using it to show parents that you are committed to your work with children, that you care about what is developmentally appropriate for the children in your care, that you are knowledgeable and concerned about best practices. Isn't it the same thing?

Not picking on you, just trying to understand.

I feel like I do those things everyday as demonstrated through my actions, I am very sure you do as well. However important of an achievement it is to you, I don't believe you need your degree to prove those things to the parents of the kids in your care.

I am very sure there are individuals with the same degree as you've managed to obtain who are just awful people. Having it doesn't suddenly make someone inherently able to handle this career or perform all associated tasks well.

The child behaviorist/psychologist I mention in another thread shared with me once that as much book smarts as she had, they didn't hold a candle to my instincts. That meant the WORLD to me. She could tell me everything I needed to know about why this that or the other in a way I could have never learned, and I could work directly with the kids in my care in a way she couldn't. That right there is exactly my point. We both recognized our talents and stuck with what we did best. Unfortunately, there are people who either refuse to acknowledge there is a difference, or just choose not to. If they are lacking they move forward anyway and that's when children end up in dire straits.

I went to a preschool reputed for the education level of it's providers and the curriculum it afforded it's enrollments. Still, I was hurt there in ways that would make you vomit.

How many private schools have been in the news lately for for the behavior of their very educated yet very very corrupt professors?

Experience is not proof.....it is GREAT but it is not proof. Anyone can SAY they are doing a good job....there was a case recently in which a very experienced provider was found to have been doping babies and putting them in dark closets all day so they would sleep. She had experience and no formal education. For years everyone thought she was a great provider. Then they found out the truth.

Sure experience is proof. Proof you can at least keep children alive, which is more than can be said for a well educated yet green provider.

It's not a guarantee but it's better than having no experience at all.

Out of curiosity, do you believe the above provider did or didn't have an education?

Having an education may be great but isn't any sort of proof of anything either was the point I was trying to make there.




Thank you for keeping this civil despite it being a very hotly debated topic

[Crystal]

"Plus, you say the money for this comes from the federal government...where does the federal government get it? I highly doubt the President is writting a check out of his own pocket to fund these grants."

I was just thinking the same thing as I went to take some aspirin! If CA/OR/WA is doing this plus other start up states where is the government getting this money from.

Use it to pay down the debts of our country!! The kids are really going to be ok, our debts are not.

I will have to look at where the oney initially came from....I do beleive it is from taxes on something.

The kids are not going to be okay if the state of education does not change, and it starts in early childhood.

[Willow]

Lucy -
"Crash and Burn"

"GRFTGTCRUYB" (Acronym for - Get Ready For The Government To Crawl Right Up Your Butt)

"Puppets R Us"[/I]

"TFTFBIOH" (Acronym for - Thanks For The Fifty Bucks I'm Outta Here)




(kidding.....but only kind of........)


I do wish you luck tonight and hope it goes ok despite everyone scaring the carp out of you

[Country Kids]

We have let the state of education change by letting the kids be in charge (my opinion)

I never went to preschool/kindergarten and graduated just fine.

I went anywhere from a nursery school-adding on a private small college school to a four room school house, to a regular public schools. I came out just fine and I think if we left the teaching to the teachers like it use to be the kids are going to be fine.

I love how all the heat is on the childcare providers and not the parents. What about kids that have SAHM's. Who's regulating their early childhood?

My mom didn't to anything special with me when I was little. She read to me alot and I played, played, played all the time. I was an only so I had all the toys a girl can need. Of course looking back most would be considered educational but I picked most of them out myself, not my parents.
Go figure I would end up doing this profession and not the one I went to college for!