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  • nanglgrl
    Daycare.com Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 1700

    #16
    My daughter just started 4 year old preschool this year (she's a young 4) she has only been in my care (in my daycare home) in her life. When she started preschool she was already able to write her name, new her shapes (even the odd ones), recognized all but one letter, could write most of her letters, her colors and could count past 20. I never did any sit down at the desk type of learning with her. I provide a great environment and plenty of supplies for learning and I talk ( a lot) and the kids learn. She is already reading sight words and her teacher said she has no doubt that she will be reading by kindergarten. She has 2 older siblings and they were both the same way at 4 and reading before kindy.
    She comes home every day and tells me about what they learned and so far it's always something she already knows. Most of what they do at pre-school is play and learn the same way they do in a good daycare (center or home). The main difference is they are all the same age. She has students in her class that used to attend my daycare and they are all in the same boat as her and doing above and beyond. The teacher also says they have good manners and love to help. I am keeping her there only because she is around other children her age.
    I have all just turned 2 year olds now and after feeling a lot of pressure from parents I started Mother Goose Time this year. It's a great curriculum but it wasn't for me....too much to do and to little time to play! It lasted 2 months...they learned no more than they would have learned in my old program based on play and exploration.
    Last week the kids made little foam turkeys with glue on feathers, eyes, beaks etc. and took them home. The parents were so delighted and loved them so much more than the finger painting pictures, free art with stamps, colors etc. that I normally send home. I guess they weren't here to see how horrible putting the turkeys together went. The littles sat at the table with the supplies in front of them and had no idea what to do no matter how many times I showed an example or gave instruction. In truth, I actually did 98% of each turkey and purposefully did not put things where they were supposed to go. Yes I did! Please don't judge me to harshly. If I would have sent home what the children did independently it would have been chewed on pieces of foam and feathers in a baggie and I have a feeling the parents would not have been so delighted! I told my husband I should just pre-make a few junky crafts every month to send home to keep the parents happy but to save the littles and myself the trouble of trying to do something they aren't ready for. I jokingly said it, kind of...you know what they say, when someone tells a joke it's usually part truth!
    Anyway I guess my point is that the parents don't get how their children learn and they don't even question how their child who can't even put on his own shoes and puts everything in his mouth can glue foam turkey pieces together (even if the eye is on the back and the feather is on the leg). They also seem to think their child learned something from this daunting task that they don't get from free play art. I have started a packet on what we do and why we do it and included why we don't do worksheets and specific crafts until they are ready. I'm going to use it in my interview process to weed out the parents that just don't get it. It's going to be like a psychological test to determine mental disorder but it will determine a different type of crazy called LOOKWHATMYKIDDID!

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    • SunshineMama
      Advanced Daycare.com Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 1575

      #17
      Originally posted by kendallina
      I honestly think that a lot of the pressure that parents feel about getting their child 'ready' for kindergarten comes from not understanding two things:

      1. What kindergarten teachers expect incoming children to do

      2. How children learn these things expected of them

      When in group child care (large or small), children are going to learn social skills like taking turns, sharing, working together, problem solving, etc. They really just need to be exposed to other children and have an adult nearby that can help them through problems when needed.

      The 'academic' skills happen in many daycares as well, but, we have to be informed on what the kinder readiness standards are in our state, so that we can inform the parents on how we prepare them for kindergarten. Many family daycares do activities that promote this type of learning, but if we don't lay it out for the parents, the parents won't know.

      It has become necessary for daycare providers to educate the parents on these things as well. Parents think that some magic needs to happen in order for their children to be ready for kindergarten.

      I run a morning preschool out of my home and it's a small group (5-6), the children are getting plenty of social interactions and learn EVERYTHING through play. I never use worksheets or make them sit at desks or anything else like that and they are more than ready for when the time comes. I find that a lot of my job is keeping the parents up to date on what we're doing here, so that they don't have to worry whether their children will be ready for kindy when the time comes.

      There was a previous poster that mentioned kindy teachers don't want the kids to know how to write their name, but that is just simply not true anymore (at least in two states that I've recently worked in). It's very clear in the Ohio kindy readiness standards that kids should come in writing their first and last name, recognizing upper and lower case letters and writing many of those letters. Every state is different on the standards, but if daycare providers keep up to date on what is expected than they can give their parents info about how they are trying to meet those standards.
      My daughter's preschool sent home a copy of the Ohio standards. It is quite a bit! She is able to do most everything on the list, but I know several of her peers that would have a great deal of difficulty meeting all of their standards.

      I am not 100% convinced that formal education is always the best way to go. Everyone's brain works differently. I actually really like the Sudbury approach.

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      • allsmiles
        Daycare.com Member
        • Nov 2012
        • 332

        #18
        Originally posted by kendallina
        I honestly think that a lot of the pressure that parents feel about getting their child 'ready' for kindergarten comes from not understanding two things:

        1. What kindergarten teachers expect incoming children to do

        2. How children learn these things expected of them

        When in group child care (large or small), children are going to learn social skills like taking turns, sharing, working together, problem solving, etc. They really just need to be exposed to other children and have an adult nearby that can help them through problems when needed.

        The 'academic' skills happen in many daycares as well, but, we have to be informed on what the kinder readiness standards are in our state, so that we can inform the parents on how we prepare them for kindergarten. Many family daycares do activities that promote this type of learning, but if we don't lay it out for the parents, the parents won't know.

        It has become necessary for daycare providers to educate the parents on these things as well. Parents think that some magic needs to happen in order for their children to be ready for kindergarten.

        I run a morning preschool out of my home and it's a small group (5-6), the children are getting plenty of social interactions and learn EVERYTHING through play. I never use worksheets or make them sit at desks or anything else like that and they are more than ready for when the time comes. I find that a lot of my job is keeping the parents up to date on what we're doing here, so that they don't have to worry whether their children will be ready for kindy when the time comes.

        There was a previous poster that mentioned kindy teachers don't want the kids to know how to write their name, but that is just simply not true anymore (at least in two states that I've recently worked in). It's very clear in the Ohio kindy readiness standards that kids should come in writing their first and last name, recognizing upper and lower case letters and writing many of those letters. Every state is different on the standards, but if daycare providers keep up to date on what is expected than they can give their parents info about how they are trying to meet those standards.
        i would like to piggyback on this comment.. i was hesitant to comment before.. maybe it is different per state.. but by the end of the school year, my dd in pre K 3 at her charter school had spelling words, wrote her first and last name, and was doing addition.. she had homework every night..
        When I decided to open a daycare..there was no question that i would have curriculum due to what I had been used to with her schooling (she is 10 now)
        BUT its soooo hard to do that in family care for me.. the one 3 year old that I have, he is in my care ONLY because the mother wanted a curriculum.. (AND the dcd didnt want to pay the extra bucks for regular preschool so i dont feel so bad ) He was my first client so at first it was super easy, he was by himself!.. BUT now with other children, most of them way younger or developmentally slower than him its VERY hard to keep up with my curriculum goals.. now its self made curriculum and I've slowed things down a bit but i feel bad.. because as all of you have said.. the parents expect a certain standard. I think in the future , I will inform parents that I am focused on my kids learning new things everyday but if they are looking for a strict curriculum, MY family daycare may not be what they are looking for. This is why i STILL only have ONE 3 year old after 5 months..alot of kids by that age in my area are in regular school already or a preschool program.
        Last edited by Blackcat31; 11-27-2012, 02:54 PM.

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        • kendallina
          Advanced Daycare.com Member
          • Jul 2010
          • 1660

          #19
          Originally posted by SunshineMama
          My daughter's preschool sent home a copy of the Ohio standards. It is quite a bit! She is able to do most everything on the list, but I know several of her peers that would have a great deal of difficulty meeting all of their standards.

          I am not 100% convinced that formal education is always the best way to go. Everyone's brain works differently. I actually really like the Sudbury approach.
          Ugh, yes, Ohio standards are crazy and very specific in some areas, but lacking in the social emotional aspect of development.

          And, I completely agree with you about formal education. If I had married a different man I could totally see myself homeschooling my 5 children, as I think that is quite an education! Instead I'll send my one DD to public school. Oh well, she'll be fine.

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          • daycaremom76
            New Daycare.com Member
            • May 2011
            • 160

            #20
            I've had the same problem here, parents want a pre-school education for in-home daycare price! I try to keep my prices low because of the economy, but it's getting hard, materials cost, food cost, gas & electric costs have all gone up so it makes it hard to do something everyday of the week.

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            • LK5kids
              Daycare.com Member
              • Oct 2012
              • 1222

              #21
              Years ago I had kids stay with me until kindergarten. Funny thing tho I went out two afternoons and taught preschool at a half day private preschool ( our public school didn't have pre-k yet) because I needed to get out and I love teaching! I did and still do offer a full preschool program. All very fun and play based and dev. appropriate. I teach with flannel board stories, music, puppet and prop stories, reading to kids, etc.

              . Now the public school is offering full day pre-k free. I still have 3's stay with me but I dread the school system offering 3-k.

              It's a changing world and I feel home based child care is being squeezed out. I've owned a larger group center at one time also and will stand by quality family child care till my dying day! It's so great for kids!

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              • LK5kids
                Daycare.com Member
                • Oct 2012
                • 1222

                #22
                Thing is schools in my area push pre-k kindergarten readiness that's very academic. I know a kindergarten teacher who is teaching blend sounds already in November for those kids that are ready for that-not just individual sounds but blends!. That seems so advanced for k age kids and a lot of pressure. Mind you this is not for the whole class but only kids that are ready. Think how pushed they were in pre-k to be that far already this time of the year.

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                • Mommy2One
                  Daycare.com Member
                  • Aug 2011
                  • 119

                  #23
                  Originally posted by nanglgrl
                  Last week the kids made little foam turkeys with glue on feathers, eyes, beaks etc. and took them home. The parents were so delighted and loved them so much more than the finger painting pictures, free art with stamps, colors etc. that I normally send home. I guess they weren't here to see how horrible putting the turkeys together went. The littles sat at the table with the supplies in front of them and had no idea what to do no matter how many times I showed an example or gave instruction. In truth, I actually did 98% of each turkey and purposefully did not put things where they were supposed to go. Yes I did! Please don't judge me to harshly. If I would have sent home what the children did independently it would have been chewed on pieces of foam and feathers in a baggie and I have a feeling the parents would not have been so delighted! I told my husband I should just pre-make a few junky crafts every month to send home to keep the parents happy but to save the littles and myself the trouble of trying to do something they aren't ready for.
                  Thank you for sharing! Now I don't feel so bad. I don't like doing "final product" crafts with my daughter. I'd much rather sit her at the table with supplies and let her go to town with just occasional help from me or we'll color together (basically sitting down together, each working on our own page, though sometimes she'll "help" me with mine ). While the holiday crafts she occasionally does with my mom or her provider are cute, I don't feel too attached to them because, like you described, I imagine the adults are doing most of them. I like the weird blob that's a dinosaur and the pink scribble that's mommy sort of drawings better.

                  Last Mother's Day my husband took my daughter to the store and they came back with two craft kits (a stepping stone and I think a mug) and gave them to me still in the box. :confused::: They're still in the box.

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                  • SunshineMama
                    Advanced Daycare.com Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 1575

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Mommy2One
                    Thank you for sharing! Now I don't feel so bad. I don't like doing "final product" crafts with my daughter. I'd much rather sit her at the table with supplies and let her go to town with just occasional help from me or we'll color together (basically sitting down together, each working on our own page, though sometimes she'll "help" me with mine ). While the holiday crafts she occasionally does with my mom or her provider are cute, I don't feel too attached to them because, like you described, I imagine the adults are doing most of them. I like the weird blob that's a dinosaur and the pink scribble that's mommy sort of drawings better.

                    Last Mother's Day my husband took my daughter to the store and they came back with two craft kits (a stepping stone and I think a mug) and gave them to me still in the box. :confused::: They're still in the box.
                    The teachers definitely do most of the work for those "final product" crafts. It is so much better from a child development standpoint to allow children the freedom to be creative. I used to to those types of projects bc i thought that would appease the parents, but after researching further, i started to jut give the kids a bunch of crafts at their disposal and allow them to make whatever they wanted.

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                    • EntropyControlSpecialist
                      Embracing the chaos.
                      • Mar 2012
                      • 7466

                      #25
                      Originally posted by nanglgrl
                      My daughter just started 4 year old preschool this year (she's a young 4) she has only been in my care (in my daycare home) in her life. When she started preschool she was already able to write her name, new her shapes (even the odd ones), recognized all but one letter, could write most of her letters, her colors and could count past 20. I never did any sit down at the desk type of learning with her. I provide a great environment and plenty of supplies for learning and I talk ( a lot) and the kids learn. She is already reading sight words and her teacher said she has no doubt that she will be reading by kindergarten. She has 2 older siblings and they were both the same way at 4 and reading before kindy.
                      She comes home every day and tells me about what they learned and so far it's always something she already knows. Most of what they do at pre-school is play and learn the same way they do in a good daycare (center or home). The main difference is they are all the same age. She has students in her class that used to attend my daycare and they are all in the same boat as her and doing above and beyond. The teacher also says they have good manners and love to help. I am keeping her there only because she is around other children her age.
                      I have all just turned 2 year olds now and after feeling a lot of pressure from parents I started Mother Goose Time this year. It's a great curriculum but it wasn't for me....too much to do and to little time to play! It lasted 2 months...they learned no more than they would have learned in my old program based on play and exploration.
                      Last week the kids made little foam turkeys with glue on feathers, eyes, beaks etc. and took them home. The parents were so delighted and loved them so much more than the finger painting pictures, free art with stamps, colors etc. that I normally send home. I guess they weren't here to see how horrible putting the turkeys together went. The littles sat at the table with the supplies in front of them and had no idea what to do no matter how many times I showed an example or gave instruction. In truth, I actually did 98% of each turkey and purposefully did not put things where they were supposed to go. Yes I did! Please don't judge me to harshly. If I would have sent home what the children did independently it would have been chewed on pieces of foam and feathers in a baggie and I have a feeling the parents would not have been so delighted! I told my husband I should just pre-make a few junky crafts every month to send home to keep the parents happy but to save the littles and myself the trouble of trying to do something they aren't ready for. I jokingly said it, kind of...you know what they say, when someone tells a joke it's usually part truth!
                      Anyway I guess my point is that the parents don't get how their children learn and they don't even question how their child who can't even put on his own shoes and puts everything in his mouth can glue foam turkey pieces together (even if the eye is on the back and the feather is on the leg). They also seem to think their child learned something from this daunting task that they don't get from free play art. I have started a packet on what we do and why we do it and included why we don't do worksheets and specific crafts until they are ready. I'm going to use it in my interview process to weed out the parents that just don't get it. It's going to be like a psychological test to determine mental disorder but it will determine a different type of crazy called LOOKWHATMYKIDDID!
                      I think even with that packet ... many just won't care.
                      I feel this pressure from all of my parents and so we DO the worksheets once/twice a week, the "product" crafts once/twice a week, and the great process art pieces the rest. It really weighs down on me and I hate it.

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                      • Heidi
                        Daycare.com Member
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 7121

                        #26
                        I have to say, that one good thing about the Quality Rating Systems and their use of FCCER's is that some of the things parents expect are definately considered NO NO's.

                        -Product art is highly discouraged, unless it's done sparingly (and then it's a fine-motor activity, not an art activity).

                        -According to NAEYC's Developmentally Appropriate Practices, while a curriculum is encouraged, it's a PLAY BASED curriculum. Meaning, the teacher (that's us) encourages and facilitates play, always there to support the children's interests. For instance, children are playing "restaurant", the teacher finds some notepads and pencils, a cash register, and maybe helps them make their own menus. Or, if they are interested in being astronauts, she finds a big cardboard box, lets them paint or color it silver, and viola', it's a space ship. In a really "good" program, that might lead to a field trip to a museum that has a space ship of some sort.

                        -My Early Childhood Associates Degree program really encourages exploring an emmergent curriculum where the children's interests and conversations are the launching point for a unit study.

                        My problem is money, honestly. I have enough toys, and then some, to rotate things around now and then. BUT, I don't have enough toys or space to keep TONS of stuff on reserve, then access them when needed.

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